Nithoniniel
Registered User
The Ducks announcers were praising Gardiner a lot yesterday. We're not the only ones who are impressed.
If you want to see what being sheltered looks like, look at a guy like, say, Subban.
D-Zone Start%
1.Emelin 35.9
2.Petry 35.4
3.Beaulieu 30.8
4.Markov 30.4
5.Gilbert 30.0
6.Subban 29.5
or Doughty
1.Martinez 35.1
2.Muzzin 33.1
3.Ehrhoff 28.4
4.Doughty 28.1
5.McNabb 27.4
6.McBain 26.1
The Ducks announcers were praising Gardiner a lot yesterday. We're not the only ones who are impressed.
where are these numbers coming from, does not seem correct?
babcock also tries to keep Phaneuf out of the d-zone as much as possible. He has taken away as much defensive responsibly away from Phaneuf and gardner as possible.(mostly gardner, 100% no pk or last minute time) stats prove this to be true and easily seen in a game if you look for it.
70% of all shifts Gardner started last night against the ducks, was in the offensive zone.
puckalytics.com
think you looked at wrong stat for suban and doughty, they have a 53% o-zone start.
last night game against the ducks:
phaneuf 14-5 <<<< o-zone starts
gardiner 12-5 <<<< o-zone starts
Hunwick 12 - 13 <<<< o-zone starts
reilly 12-10 <<<< o-zone starts
Marincin 5-4 <<<< o-zone starts
Polak 4-7 <<<< o-zone starts
think you looked at wrong stat for suban and doughty, they have a 53% o-zone start.
last night game against the ducks:
phaneuf 14-5 <<<< o-zone starts
gardiner 12-5 <<<< o-zone starts
Hunwick 12 - 13 <<<< o-zone starts
reilly 12-10 <<<< o-zone starts
Marincin 5-4 <<<< o-zone starts
Polak 4-7 <<<< o-zone starts
And yet Gardiner has suppressed shots, goals, scoring chances and second chances better than anyone on the Leafs, while also providing the best lane defense. Statistics show that too and, unlike zone starts (which typically make a negligible difference, and certainly makes a negligible difference in this context), they're meaningful. Let's make one thing clear: this isn't a one year wonder. Gardiner's been one of the best even-strength defensemen in the National Hockey League since his rookie season, ranking top-25 in CFRel, FFRel, SFRel, SCFRel, EGFRel, GFRel, and HSCFRel. In fact, Gardiner's the only Leafs defenseman with a positive (cumulative) WAR since 2011/12 (WAR accounts for all situations). If that wasn't enough to convince you, then perhaps you should consider the fact that, among the ten players who have played with Gardiner most often since his rookie season, Luke Schenn is the only one who performs better away from Gardiner than with Gardiner (and that's probably because he was playing bottom pairing minutes on Philly). Just for good measure, Gardiner also leads the Leafs in even-strength TOI% since 2011/12. Oh, and he performs pretty well against top opposition.
At some point you've got to accept that Gardiner's a very good defenseman.
And yet Gardiner has suppressed shots, goals, scoring chances and second chances better than anyone on the Leafs, while also providing the best lane defense. Statistics show that too and, unlike zone starts (which typically make a negligible difference, and certainly makes a negligible difference in this context), they're meaningful. Let's make one thing clear: this isn't a one year wonder. Gardiner's been one of the best even-strength defensemen in the National Hockey League since his rookie season, ranking top-25 in CFRel, FFRel, SFRel, SCFRel, EGFRel, GFRel, and HSCFRel. In fact, Gardiner's the only Leafs defenseman with a positive (cumulative) WAR since 2011/12 (WAR accounts for all situations). If that wasn't enough to convince you, then perhaps you should consider the fact that, among the ten players who have played with Gardiner most often since his rookie season, Luke Schenn is the only one who performs better away from Gardiner than with Gardiner (and that's probably because he was playing bottom pairing minutes on Philly). Just for good measure, Gardiner also leads the Leafs in even-strength TOI% since 2011/12. Oh, and he performs pretty well against top opposition.
At some point you've got to accept that Gardiner's a very good defenseman.
Looking at one night only tells you about what happened that night.
And yeah, they might have 53% offensive zone starts. Zeke posted defensive zone starts.
unless the game gets a little messed up, that is how it usually is.
No it's not. What you say is factually wrong. We have the numbers for the entire season, and they are nothing like tonight.
Gardiner starts in the offensive zone a whole 1.1% more than the defensive zone over the course of the season.
No it's not. What you say is factually wrong. We have the numbers for the entire season, and they are nothing like tonight.
Gardiner starts in the offensive zone a whole 1.1% more than the defensive zone over the course of the season.
34.2% Offensive zone
32.7% Neutral zone
33.1% Defensive zone
5v5 zone starts
Gardiner 220off, 204neut, 208def
Phaneuf 240off, 221neut, 233def
I imagine this is how I'd feel if I tried to have an in-depth online conversation with my brother, only to realize after confusion, frustration and failed persuasions that it's actually my 5-year old nephew on the other side.
Don't need advanced stats to know Gardiner has played excellent. Watching him shows it as well.
Season
Phaneuf 240off, 221neut, 233def - 33.6dzs%
Gardiner 220off, 204neut, 208def - 32.9dzs%
last 10gms:
Phaneuf: 77off, 58neut, 64def - 32.2dzs%
Gardiner: 76off, 57neut, 63def - 32.1dzs%
last 5gms
Phaneuf 37off, 19neut, 25def -- 30.9dzs%
Gardiner 37off, 19neut, 26def -- 31.7dzs%
last 3gms
Phaneuf 20off, 10neut, 18def - 37.5dzs%
Gardiner 20off, 10neut, 17def - 36.1dzs%