Oh I know. I'm just saying, a pretty unarguable quality of Yzerman's was he didn't pay much attention to optics (Lecavalier, St. Lous). I think Brisebois is following that lead. I take it as a positive.
Waived: Jake Dotchin on Unconditional Waivers
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Oh I know. I'm just saying, a pretty unarguable quality of Yzerman's was he didn't pay much attention to optics (Lecavalier, St. Lous). I think Brisebois is following that lead. I take it as a positive.
CupsOverCash
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Why is this still a thread? He was suspended last year for something with the team and then he shows up to camp out of shape. The chances ran out. You dont get many here anymore these days.
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Here's hoping Hedman eats a few to many donuts....
This is definitely to send a message. If the contract termination gets nullified we’ll just trade him for future considerations so there will be little to no practical difference in the outcome. But by publicly calling him out with the contract termination rather than quietly trading him for a draft pick we’re sending a clear message to the other members of the organization that we won’t put up with that sort of crap.
Sorry for the long response but basically it's impossible to terminate a player's contract simply for testing positive for illegal substances. Now if a player had previously tested positive, refused to abide by the league's substance abuse policy and kept using then there are steps the teams can take but they are specific, tiered steps. Recovery is difficult so if players struggle with sobriety their job is safe if they're really committed to the process. On the other hand, if a player is just straight-up uninterested in recovery they have bigger issues to worry about than a pro hockey contract and teams do have the ability to separate that player from the locker room. Again, that's done with specific behind the scenes steps, not just immediate termination. No one knows how many players are currently in the substance abuse program without any of us ever finding out or seeing any discipline(nor should we know)
You can probably find more specific info on the league's substance abuse policy policy from around the time of Kassian's suspension but there's honestly not that much info out there. It's an internal program agreed to by the NHL and PA and the details aren't publicly available.
Right - maybe last year was the same issue - that's kind of what i meant. I wasnt implying that the dude has an issue and you just term him to get him out of the way.
No way.
If a guy has a substance abuse problem he would be going through the NHL's sobriety program. No team would ever terminate a players contract if he needed help. It would be a PR disaster.
He clearly has issues not related to substance or mental health. I'm going to assume he is either consistently out of shape or has crazy attitude issues. Knowing his past, it could be both. Either way you can almost certainly rule out the need to feel bad for him or over analyze the situation.
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These Are The Days
Oh no! We suck again!!
Lol holy shit. When cultivating mass goes wrong!
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Jake Dotchin circa May, 2018:
Jake Dotchin, circa September, 2018:
Jake Dotchin, circa September, 2018:
ChaoticOrange
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25% body fat is a loooooot for a pro athlete. Particularly one whose job is cardio dependant.
I’m picturing Bartolo Colon... how far off am I?
I’m picturing Bartolo Colon... how far off am I?
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KingsFan7824
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Apparently some are interested. Of course that was before the report about 25% body fat came out.
Fat enough to look a little chunky/soft even for the every day guy (probably just "average guy" status), let alone a pro athlete.
...Not Bartolo fat though. LOL
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ChaoticOrange
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If he'd been injured, I don't see TB trying to terminate the contract. I think this is more they've lost faith in his ability to stay disciplined over the summer. Two years in a row. He was likely warned about this, given that it happened last year. Or he should have been smart enough to realize, if he got suspended for the entire pre-season last time, this time would be a hell of a lot harsher. And, when you have little value to the team, that problem means they're gonna terminate your contract.
Cardiac Jerks
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Considering he was suspended most of the last preseason and into the season I’m going to go with “lazy”. Which is bad for any professional athlete but especially pathetic for a guy who’s lucky to be in the league in the first place.
The List Of Jericho
Judas effect
Pretty sure he's the dirtbag that was taking liberties with guys the last few years or am I mistaken....
The List Of Jericho
Judas effect
Technically, if the leafs sign him he can't injure their players anymore
Oh so he was that dirtbag, good riddance.
As usual Leaf fans are exhibiting their standard persecution complex with that. I haven’t looked at those hits since last year but as I recall there was one that was clearly over the line while the rest were either perfectly fine or in a gray area. It’s a shame when players get injured but he comes across as a guy who plays with an edge and made a bad decision on one hit rather than a player who is clearly and consistently dirty (like a Marchand.)
