Jacob Josefson - sent to Albany!

[manilaNJ]

I have no problem with Josefson being sent down. I don't think he's been horrid, he hasn't been a liability. You always want to see more from him, though. He's still too slight. It was an opportunity to Loktionov up and see what he brings to the table.

I have more of an issue with the way Matteau is being handled. He's 18, he needs to play games. Now that we've brought in Ponikarovsky, Zubrus eventually coming back, and guys like Josefson and Loktionov that you can call up on a dime, how many games is he really going to see? There's only so much you can learn in a pressbox.

I agree. I'd give him a couple of games with Loki in the lineup to see how it goes.
After that happens, send him back.

When Zubrus is healthy, we'll have more than enough pieces to roll 4 great lines.
(On the condition that a defenseman is traded, as well)

Matteau knows what it takes to compete at the NHL level, he knows what he needs to work on... but I think he can be so much better if he's given a little more time to season.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

MNJ thats spot on. Matteau could be good, well off with a bit more TOI and he'll need some NHL icetime to I think. But right now, let's hope Loktionov brings it and that Zubrus makes a speedy recovery!

 

[NJDevs26]

I have no problem with Josefson being sent down. I don't think he's been horrid, he hasn't been a liability. You always want to see more from him, though. He's still too slight. It was an opportunity to Loktionov up and see what he brings to the table.

I have more of an issue with the way Matteau is being handled. He's 18, he needs to play games. Now that we've brought in Ponikarovsky, Zubrus eventually coming back, and guys like Josefson and Loktionov that you can call up on a dime, how many games is he really going to see? There's only so much you can learn in a pressbox.

So long as Matteau gets sent back before we burn a year of FA, it isn't really an issue. I don't get why we would waste a year of FA for a guy that's sometimes going to play, and when he does usually gets single-digit minutes, occasionally double-digit.

 

[Jack Griffin]

So long as Matteau gets sent back before we burn a year of FA, it isn't really an issue. I don't get why we would waste a year of FA for a guy that's sometimes going to play, and when he does usually gets single-digit minutes, occasionally double-digit.

Yea it's really going to suck when he becomes a UFA in 2020 instead of 2021.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

So long as Matteau gets sent back before we burn a year of FA, it isn't really an issue. I don't get why we would waste a year of FA for a guy that's sometimes going to play, and when he does usually gets single-digit minutes, occasionally double-digit.

I'm coming from purely a development angle. I couldn't care less if we burn a FA year. At his age, his game is still evolving and I don't see the purpose of having him on the roster just to not play him.

 

[Traitor Zach]

What else would you call people getting on Josefson interjecting 'Tedenby never got that chance'? WTF does Josefson's play or icetime have to do with Tedenby? Like I said earlier in the thread, they're two different players at two different positions with two different roles, but it's become du jour around here that if you love Tedenby you have to get on Josefson.

I concur. Two different situations with two different players.

To be fair, I'm pretty concerned with both of them though. They're starting to run out of time to make that next step. I think Josefson will still have an opportunity the rest of this year into next, but after that, who knows.

 

[manilaNJ]

So long as Matteau gets sent back before we burn a year of FA, it isn't really an issue. I don't get why we would waste a year of FA for a guy that's sometimes going to play, and when he does usually gets single-digit minutes, occasionally double-digit.

I'm coming from purely a development angle. I couldn't care less if we burn a FA year. At his age, his game is still evolving and I don't see the purpose of having him on the roster just to not play him.

Lou took his twitter away, he wasn't staying anyway

Regardless, Lou never has and never will care about issues as petty as ELCs. If he can make his team better and if he can find ways to win... it's all moot.

When you have time, you use it.

I concur. Two different situations with two different players.

To be fair, I'm pretty concerned with both of them though. They're starting to run out of time to make that next step. I think Josefson will still have an opportunity the rest of this year into next, but after that, who knows.

Here's what I don't understand.
Tedenby and Josefson are "running out of time"
But, by all means, we're banking on Loktionov who was equally unable to make an impact on his former NHL team and is the same age as both of them. An NHL team that plays a fairly similar style of play as us, as well.

They're all young and still have plenty of time to prove themselves.
We forget what Henrique's career path was into the lineup.

 

[devilsblood]

A young player, (Matteau) can learn quite a bit, practicing, watching and playing occasionally.

Wouldn't mind seeing him go down to see if he can rip it up in Jr's, but not totally against him hanging around the big club.

 

[Traitor Zach]

Lou took his twitter away, he wasn't staying anyway

Regardless, Lou never has and never will care about issues as petty as ELCs. If he can make his team better and if he can find ways to win... it's all moot.

When you have time, you use it.



Here's what I don't understand.
Tedenby and Josefson are "running out of time"
But, by all means, we're banking on Loktionov who was equally unable to make an impact on his former NHL team and is the same age as both of them. An NHL team that plays a fairly similar style of play as us, as well.

They're all young and still have plenty of time to prove themselves.
We forget what Henrique's career path was into the lineup.

Loktionov actually has even less time than those two to make his case. The issue with Tedenby and Josefson is they need to lay claim to a role with the big club and have value. You have to make the next step and exhibit some sort of progression. Neither of them have to this point for whatever reason. Neither has Loktionov either to be fair.

Also, players themselves frequently don't like to be yo-yo'd too long up and down or kept in the "development" stage and often feel they either deserve a better opportunity or are being "mishandled" by a team.

 

[NJDevs26]

Well he has less time because Teddy and Josefson aren't going to jump to the KHL after the season.

 

[manilaNJ]

Also, players themselves frequently don't like to be yo-yo'd too long up and down or kept in the "development" stage and often feel they either deserve a better opportunity or are being "mishandled" by a team.

I do agree with this. And it's part of the reason why I would like to see Matteau sent back.
Like I said before, Matteau benefits more from being sent down than Josefson.

With the extra roster spot, it allows Pete to play around with the bottom 6 and put everyone in the best position to succeed.

 

[DatBoyJPP]

Yea it's really going to suck when he becomes a UFA in 2020 instead of 2021.

He's now due for a pay raise in 2015 instead of 2016

 

[devilsblood]

Loktionov actually has even less time than those two to make his case. The issue with Tedenby and Josefson is they need to lay claim to a role with the big club and have value. You have to make the next step and exhibit some sort of progression. Neither of them have to this point for whatever reason. Neither has Loktionov either to be fair.

Also, players themselves frequently don't like to be yo-yo'd too long up and down or kept in the "development" stage and often feel they either deserve a better opportunity or are being "mishandled" by a team.

I think Josefson has shown progression. I think he, unlike Ted's has shown he can play in the NHL. He's just in a bad stretch over the past couple weeks, and with a tight schedule that bad stretch is magnified.

And again, Lokti being there allows this to happen. I really don't see this move as a knock of JJ. Why not give Lokti a chance? Why not give JJ a break and see if he can find his game in Albany?

Really is a no brainer move.

 

[apice3*]

I have more of an issue with the way Matteau is being handled. He's 18, he needs to play games. Now that we've brought in Ponikarovsky, Zubrus eventually coming back, and guys like Josefson and Loktionov that you can call up on a dime, how many games is he really going to see? There's only so much you can learn in a pressbox.

You can only learn so much in a pressbox, true.

You can learn a ton in practices with the best coaches in the world.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

You can only learn so much in a pressbox, true.

You can learn a ton in practices with the best coaches in the world.

I don't buy that. Especially not at 18. Coaching is big don't get me wrong, but coaches don't teach instincts and they don't teach skill. You develop those things playing the game at game speed. It's not one or the other. He should be playing and being coached. Sometimes they'll pan out and sometimes they won't, but I don't think you have to whittle away that percentage by just having him around the team and not having him play every day.

He's still got things he can learn playing in juniors, let alone the NHL. I just don't understand the thought process of "he's good enough to play in the league" and "we won't let contracts dictate our decision" and then not even play the kid. If he's not playing here, he should be playing somewhere else and not as a 13/14th forward.

 

[RNCDevil]

I'm going to throw out a crazy theory here. Because of all his injuries, could he be hitting his rookie wall after finally playing a consistent number of games?

 

[Zippy316]

Josefson being sent down was no because he's not capable of playing in the NHL like Tedenby.

It was a confidence thing. Lou sent him down so that he can work on his offensive game and regain the confidence he displayed early on in the season. He's an NHL player no doubt. It's just do we keep him up here and have him play 8 and 9 minutes and see no progression in his offensive game, or do we send him down, give another guy a shot, and see if he can become more than just a PK specialist and a defensive role player.

It's just about how much better he can become than what we saw early this season. This season, we saw a guy who played well defensively, carried the puck well but his offensive game was virtually invisible.

 

[manilaNJ]

It's not that his offensive game is nonexistent - he was the leading scorer in Albany, a team that is a little less than organized offensively.

I think he needs to learn how to take a hit and keep the play alive and how to play against very physical defense in the NHL. It's almost as if he's afraid of getting injured again.

I hope that he can find some way to rebuild his confidence.
He has the ability to be a very good NHLer - at the Caps game, I had newcomers to the sport asking me who #16 was, he was all over the ice. Not shying away from contact.

I don't know what it will take to get him back to that level.

 

[Chessarmy]

I loved how Josefson played under Lemaire a few years ago. I think he has dropped off since then, and that is worrying.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Josefson being sent down was no because he's not capable of playing in the NHL like Tedenby.

It was a confidence thing. Lou sent him down so that he can work on his offensive game and regain the confidence he displayed early on in the season. He's an NHL player no doubt. It's just do we keep him up here and have him play 8 and 9 minutes and see no progression in his offensive game, or do we send him down, give another guy a shot, and see if he can become more than just a PK specialist and a defensive role player.

It's just about how much better he can become than what we saw early this season. This season, we saw a guy who played well defensively, carried the puck well but his offensive game was virtually invisible.

It is exactly that. He has regressed in recent games, but he did start the season well and looked strong. He just lacked the offense.

******** on Loki is just as dumb as calling JJ a bust though. We got all the talk from Kings fans when we traded for him that it wasn't his skills that kept up out of the line up, just a long jam down the middle. He has trouble playing wing, but we aren't asking him to do that so he has some good potential. It is totally worth giving him a look.

Doesn't mean JJ is a bust, we may very well see him again soon with some new fire, or maybe Loki produces where Yayo couldn't. We have the depth so its worth using it now early in the season as we assess what we have to make a run. We all know that we are our best when we are 4 lines deep so it is important we get some sort of production out of that lines center position, whether its Loki, JJ or someone else.

If we had the roster space I'd much prefer he stay up and just get scratched, but we don't. Lou and Pete have some reason for keeping Matteau around, Barch is here because they like to have 1 goon, and you can't send Butler or Harrold down because we would lose them to waivers.

For those who like Yayo him getting sent down isn't some big case against him, just a numbers game and the fact he is slumping. To his haters it doesn't mean he is a bust either.

 

[manilaNJ]

For those who like Yayo him getting sent down isn't some big case against him, just a numbers game and the fact he is slumping. To his haters it doesn't mean he is a bust either.

I do not understand the balanced reason behind this post...

 

[Emperoreddy]

I do not understand the balanced reason behind this post...

I am clearly doing it wrong. We are DOOMED, Yayo=Tedy=BUST CITY!!!! Trade half the team for Bobby Ryan!! We are doomed for the lottery!!! Marty is old and fat, and it is all his fault!!! Plan the parade down broadway BRAH!!!

 

[Holtz My Bahls]

I am clearly doing it wrong. We are DOOMED, Yayo=Tedy=BUST CITY!!!! Trade half the team for Bobby Ryan!! We are doomed for the lottery!!! Marty is old and fat, and it is all his fault!!! Plan the parade down broadway BRAH!!!

Only if you pop the champagne... Filip Bondy

 

[Bleedred]

I have no problem with this. I do not think that Lokti will be of much help though until we start scratching Barch. I have no problem with Barch, and he does his job well. However I don't see why he needs to do that job against the Sens, and Caps.

With Matteau-Loktionov-Butler we have the possibility of having 4 lines we can roll. Four lines that could possibly help us offensively. Barch does not do us any favors offensively.

 

[MadDevil]

I'm going to throw out a crazy theory here. Because of all his injuries, could he be hitting his rookie wall after finally playing a consistent number of games?

I don't think it's that crazy of a theory. Even though he's played NHL games each of the last three seasons, he's still only 21 years old and has played the equivalent of one full NHL season. Some players just take longer to develop than others. At least Josefson has shown signs of being able to play in this league.