Isles Prospect Talk 2020-21

[Chapin Landvogt]

THIS was heading to arbitration???

Well, the key here for Ho-Sang is the 225 k in the AHL.

I believe he was previously earning 80 k in the AHL on his ELC.

 

[xECK29x]

Well, the key here for Ho-Sang is the 225 k in the AHL.

I believe he was previously earning 80 k in the AHL on his ELC.

Yea he pretty much held out for more AHL money

 

[MJF]

Well, the key here for Ho-Sang is the 225 k in the AHL.

I believe he was previously earning 80 k in the AHL on his ELC.

Holding out for AHL money is a real weird move. He could have made $875,000 if he did what Trotz wanted him to last year. I guess there's not a lot of faith in JHS among general managers here and in Europe.

Josh Ho-Sang signed a CYA contract today.

 

[Tres Peleches]

Holding out for AHL money is a real weird move. He could have made $875,000 if he did what Trotz wanted him to last year. I guess there's not a lot of faith in JHS among general managers here and in Europe.

Josh Ho-Sang signed a CYA contract today.

I mean, it’s not a bad idea. If he really is legitimately black-listed he gets a substantial raise in the AHL. If he comes in, does everything the team asks and makes the team, great

 

[MJF]

I mean, it’s not a bad idea. If he really is legitimately black-listed he gets a substantial raise in the AHL. If he comes in, does everything the team asks and makes the team, great

He's on another 1 year deal, so he'd better get his shit together now. There's no tomorrow for him. JHS's next deal might come from a PTO after this.

 

[Sparksrus3]

I've never heard it pronounced Eye-landers.

spelled Ilanders on the Stanley Cup for our 1981 Championship

 

[Newsworthy]

Glad Ho Sang is locked up.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Slightly interesting in seeing what the Isles are thinking is that Ho-Sang and Greer have received 1-year contracts while Wotherspoon and Vande Sompel received 2-year deals.

As far as our own prospects are concerned, I believe no less than Newkirk, Adams, and Cockerill are up for signing (if desired) next summer. If I remember correctly, both Coskey and Bibeau are currently on 1-year AHL contracts, so they'd be looking to use next season to, I guess, prove worthy of an ELC. It's also conceivable that if Pivonka has a strong NCAA season, they could look to lock him up before his senior year.

On the defensive front, Mirageas is the only prospect who would need to be signed next summer in order to retain his rights.

 

[MJF]

Slightly interesting in seeing what the Isles are thinking is that Ho-Sang and Greer have received 1-year contracts while Wotherspoon and Vande Sompel received 2-year deals.

Getting arrested in Manhattan the previous summer doesn't automatically win the confidence of your new GM. Greer is going to have to earn a deal with longer term.

As for Ho-Sang, I'm sure the team never expected him to sign his QO, let alone request arbitration. Both parties are stuck with each other for another season. 25 years old when the new season begins and still a prospect, going to his 7th NHL training camp, isn't someone you bet on long term.

 

[Tres Peleches]

Getting arrested in Manhattan the previous summer doesn't automatically win the confidence of your new GM. Greer is going to have to earn a deal with longer term.

As for Ho-Sang, I'm sure the team never expected him to sign his QO, let alone request arbitration. Both parties are stuck with each other for another season. 25 years old when the new season begins and still a prospect, going to his 7th NHL training camp, isn't someone you bet on long term.

Ho-Sang may be the exception to the rule, in that he definitely has the skills to play NHL hockey... but he just needs to get out of his own way

 

[MJF]

Is this the appropriate thread for this?

 

[xECK29x]

+ = on IR or just hurt

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
+ Oliver Wahlstrom	RW/LW	2018 round 1 #11	3	AIK / HockeyAllsvenskan	6	2	2	4	2	-4
Simon Holmstrom	RW	2019 round 1 #23	8	HC Vita Hasten / HockeyAllsvenskan	8	1	1	2	2	-1
				Sweden U20 Team	0	0	0	0	0	0
Anatoli Golyshev	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #95	NR	Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg/KHL	19	7	7	14	24	7
Ruslan Iskhakov	C/RW	2018 round 2 #43	9	TPS / Liiga	9	2	3	5	4	0
Robin Salo	D	2017 round 2 #46	20	Orebro HK / SHL	13	1	3	4	4	-3
William Dufour	RW	2020 round 5 #152	NR	Drummondville Voltigeurs / QMJHL	2	0	3	3	4	2
Alexander Ljungkrantz	LW	2020 round 3 #90	NR	Brynas IF J20 / J20 Nationell	15	8	7	15	10	8
				* Brynas IF / SHL	2	0	0	0	0	0
Matias Rajaniemi	D	2020 round 6 #183	NR	Pelicans / Liiga	10	0	0	0	6	1
				* Pelicans U20 / U20 SM-Sarja	0	0	0	0	0	0
Otto Koivula	C/LW	2016 round 4 #120		HIFK / Liiga	7	2	3	5	0	-2
GOALIES					GP	GAA	SV%	SO	W-L-T
Henrik Tikkanen	G	2020 round 7 #214	NR	IPK / Mestis	6	2.31	.899	0	4-1-1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[LeapOnOver]

No worries, was an easy mistake to make. But yeah, a lot of people look down on a player for doing well in a winning environment, but often times you have players that are only good on a bad team (Islanders fans will remember Czerkawski, for example). So it should be considered a good sign when a player is also capable of being playing well in that situation, since ideally that's the situation you want them to be playing in anyway.

And Jason Blake, lol.

 

[Arsenalogist24]

Good to see Koivula hit the ground running

 

[DarkHorse2]

Tikannen seems like he has a solid record in the Mestis, but his stats seem odd in comparison. Is his team just an offensive juggernaut?

I thought this was interesting, that I hasn't read before.

"He was someone that was identified because of his size and his agility and his improvement from last year to this year," Lamoriello said. "In saying that, we had our goalie department go and see him. We watched films here, all of the above. We felt that he would be there in the sixth and seventh round. Actually, we submitted his name - his name was not on the eligibility list - we submitted his name to get him eligible. I don't think you can ever have enough goalies."

How is this a thing? Why wasn't he eligible?

 

[MJF]

+ = on IR or just hurt

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
+ Oliver Wahlstrom	RW/LW	2018 round 1 #11	3	AIK / HockeyAllsvenskan	6	2	2	4	2	-4
Simon Holmstrom	RW	2019 round 1 #23	8	HC Vita Hasten / HockeyAllsvenskan	8	1	1	2	2	-1
				Sweden U20 Team	0	0	0	0	0	0
Anatoli Golyshev	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #95	NR	Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg/KHL	19	7	7	14	24	7
Ruslan Iskhakov	C/RW	2018 round 2 #43	9	TPS / Liiga	9	2	3	5	4	0
Robin Salo	D	2017 round 2 #46	20	Orebro HK / SHL	13	1	3	4	4	-3
William Dufour	RW	2020 round 5 #152	NR	Drummondville Voltigeurs / QMJHL	2	0	3	3	4	2
Alexander Ljungkrantz	LW	2020 round 3 #90	NR	Brynas IF J20 / J20 Nationell	15	8	7	15	10	8
				* Brynas IF / SHL	2	0	0	0	0	0
Matias Rajaniemi	D	2020 round 6 #183	NR	Pelicans / Liiga	10	0	0	0	6	1
				* Pelicans U20 / U20 SM-Sarja	0	0	0	0	0	0
Otto Koivula	C/LW	2016 round 4 #120		HIFK / Liiga	7	2	3	5	0	-2
GOALIES					GP	GAA	SV%	SO	W-L-T
Henrik Tikkanen	G	2020 round 7 #214	NR	IPK / Mestis	6	2.31	.899	0	4-1-1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Do any of these teams livestream their games?

 

[The Real JT]

Is this the appropriate thread for this?

Late start seems odd to me but I suppose they have to put forth some plan of action.

COVID is clearly ramping up in the States though I don't know about Canada. It's unrealistic to think we'll have a highly effective, universally available vaccine that will be embraced by the overwhelming majority of the population within 3 months.

But then again, for hockey purposes only they could mandate vaccinations for players and staff. Even with that in place, will they get paying customers to watch in person games if COVID infections spike?

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Good to see Koivula hit the ground running

He needs to since it takes him so long to get to full speed from a stop.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Tikannen seems like he has a solid record in the Mestis, but his stats seem odd in comparison. Is his team just an offensive juggernaut?

I thought this was interesting, that I hasn't read before.


How is this a thing? Why wasn't he eligible?

I believe that not everyone who is eligible is actually officially listed by the league. If that were the case, then imagine the tens of thousands of 18-21 year old kids across North America alone who they'd have to track down and list in advance.

The NHL actually has a list with (I believe) roughly 600 names of the most likely draft candidates and if a team wants a kid who is technically eligible, but not on that list, they have to officially request he be placed on it.

But I think it's little more than a formality.

 

[JKP]

Late start seems odd to me but I suppose they have to put forth some plan of action.

COVID is clearly ramping up in the States though I don't know about Canada. It's unrealistic to think we'll have a highly effective, universally available vaccine that will be embraced by the overwhelming majority of the population within 3 months.

But then again, for hockey purposes only they could mandate vaccinations for players and staff. Even with that in place, will they get paying customers to watch in person games if COVID infections spike?

The Q has been back for a month. Max 2000 fans locally here in Hfx. And they're body checking...

 

[The Real JT]

The Q has been back for a month. Max 2000 fans locally here in Hfx. And they're body checking...

Are fans going to games and how does this compare to prior years?

If the numbers are low, one has to wonder whether that revenue can sustain operations for the league.

 

[JKP]

Are fans going to games and how does this compare to prior years?

If the numbers are low, one has to wonder whether that revenue can sustain operations for the league.

They're consistently drawing ~1900 (the practical max). The arena for Halifax normally holds around 9-10k, so not ideal. But we've got one of the bigger arenas (I think we're the only Q team that flies charter instead of taking the bus). Some of the rural Quebec arenas only fold a few thousand. How sustainable is it? I dunno. But I think they also get some TV $$, but it's definitely a gate-driven league.

 

[duster19]

The Q has been back for a month. Max 2000 fans locally here in Hfx. And they're body checking...

Not all teams are back. There are a bunch of Quebec teams not playing. I think it was all 12 at one point.

 

[NC 1972]

I believe that not everyone who is eligible is actually officially listed by the league. If that were the case, then imagine the tens of thousands of 18-21 year old kids across North America alone who they'd have to track down and list in advance.

The NHL actually has a list with (I believe) roughly 600 names of the most likely draft candidates and if a team wants a kid who is technically eligible, but not on that list, they have to officially request he be placed on it.

But I think it's little more than a formality.

My question then is, wouldn't that alert other teams of your intent to draft said player? How does one maintain the secrecy of the draft in notifying the league and are teams privy to this request?

 

[The Real JT]

They're consistently drawing ~1900 (the practical max). The arena for Halifax normally holds around 9-10k, so not ideal. But we've got one of the bigger arenas (I think we're the only Q team that flies charter instead of taking the bus). Some of the rural Quebec arenas only fold a few thousand. How sustainable is it? I dunno. But I think they also get some TV $$, but it's definitely a gate-driven league.

I'm surprised that many people will go to a game but it's encouraging from a league perspective.

As for local AHL hockey, if the Sound Tigers were to play a game I think they might get 1000 fans. If I'm right, then without support from the parent clubs it's hard to see the AHL playing anywhere near a full season until the pandemic is better controlled.