Islanders General Rumour, Trade, FA, & Waiver Speculation 2018-19 Part III

[PuckItUp27]

Leddy
Hickey
Pelech

Who is he replacing for you?

He's better than Hickey and way better than Pelech.

Also off topic not related to your post...but the only way Bellows should be in ANY trade talk is if we are bringing back a signed Panarin

 

[eoin92]

I would not jump to any early conclusions yet. I watched part of that game, and also parts of the Isles game too. The Sens team that was iced was bad. Also it is too early to tell if there is any definite chemistry there yet. I didn't get the feeling they were dominating the ice when they were out there. What I can say is Judas scored a PP goal from where JVR usually played. I think we all know he is a good PP specialist. He will get his points there and in front of the net. It's always nice to get a couple of goals in your first preseason game. But it's nothing like he is a different player seeing he did the same thing last season on the Island. We need to see more and against better competition that's my take.

Of course that was a weak sens team, but I think he will do what he did here on the island. He put up points and I think he will continue to do so. He also, along with Griess, put the team on his back in that panthers series. He’s capable of elevating his play. Yeah, he gave up on the isles, but he is still John Tavares.

 

[BMOK33]

Yeah, looks like Tavares is probably going to have a monster year. I think people need to get over it and move forward.

Most of the knowledgeable Toronto fans I know told me they doubt he cracks 85-90 because of the way Babcock tends to roll his lines during games. Tavares might likely see his ice time average quite a bit lower than he did here and Babcock will ensure those overstays he had won’t occur

 

[eoin92]

Most of the knowledgeable Toronto fans I know told me they doubt he cracks 85-90 because of the way Babcock tends to roll his lines during games. Tavares might likely see his ice time average quite a bit lower than he did here and Babcock will ensure those overstays he had won’t occur

This is true, he won’t be taking those minute and half-two minute shifts. That may actually help him though. He will have more jump left at the end of the game.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Of course that was a weak sens team, but I think he will do what he did here on the island. He put up points and I think he will continue to do so. He also, along with Griess, put the team on his back in that panthers series. He’s capable of elevating his play. Yeah, he gave up on the isles, but he is still John Tavares.

I know I never disagreed with that he would not put up points. What I disagreed with was the notion that he would score 100 now that he is on a better team and not on the disaster that the Islanders are. I thought this was disrespectful to the Islanders players last year, and really not paying attention through his first 9 seasons, in his prime he has a career high 86 points season. This is what I noted. I expect him to out up 75-85 points this year. Which is right in the area of his norm. Whether his 5 v 5 play will improve is the question? Since PPP is what Pajamas is good at. No disagreement there.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

I know I never disagreed with that he would not put up points. What I disagreed with was the notion that he would score 100 now that he is on a better team and not on the disaster that the Islanders are. I thought this was disrespectful to the Islanders players last year, and really not paying attention through his first 9 seasons, in his prime he has a career high 86 points season. This is what I noted. I expect him to out up 75-85 points this year. Which is right in the area of his norm. Whether his 5 v 5 play will improve is the question? Since PPP is what Pajamas is good at. No disagreement there.

He will ultimately be judged by his, and his team's, performance in the playoffs. If he puts up 65 points a year but the Leafs win the cup with Tavares playing a critical role, he will be revered and the signing will have certainly been "worth it."

 

[The Winter Soldier]

He will ultimately be judged by his, and his team's, performance in the playoffs. If he puts up 65 points a year but the Leafs win the cup with Tavares playing a critical role, he will be revered and the signing will have certainly been "worth it."

Like Phil Kessel was in his first season as a Pen. A lot of unknowns here. But I would tend to agree, a Cup can erase a lot of mediocrity.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

Most of the knowledgeable Toronto fans I know...

 

[Glory Days]

He's 24 years old with 131 games played. How about we wait and see how he turns out instead of "Spurgeoning" him to the highest bidder. At the very least he's a 5/6 guy that has 3/4 potential that we can still wait out. He's not a liability.

I think we need to agree to disagree on this. Time will tell but I don't see Pelech being a regular on a playoff team. He doesn't handle the puck well enough or skate well enough imo.

 

[PuckItUp27]

I think we need to agree to disagree on this. Time will tell but I don't see Pelech being a regular on a playoff team. He doesn't handle the puck well enough or skate well enough imo.

Pelech is terrible. We are better off with Sbisa over Pelech and hoping that becomes the case.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Yeah, looks like Tavares is probably going to have a monster year. I think people need to get over it and move forward.

What are you basing this on? Him scoring 2 goals in a pre-season game versus Ottawa's AHL squad?

Honestly, I watched that game last night and I didn't even think he played all that well. He and Marner racked up points because Ottawa's squad was just awful and both of them are clearly talented players. But it wasn't this dominating display that his point totals suggest it was. In fact, before he scored his 2nd goal I'd commented to my friend how invisible both he and Marner seemed, considering the opposition.

If he plays like that all season versus NHL caliber teams, I don't think he's going to be racking up any more points than he has for the Isles the past 3 seasons.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

What are you basing this on? Him scoring 2 goals in a pre-season game versus Ottawa's AHL squad?

Honestly, I watched that game last night and I didn't even think he played all that well. He and Marner racked up points because Ottawa's squad was just awful and both of them are clearly talented players. But it wasn't this dominating display that his point totals suggest it was. In fact, before he scored his 2nd goal I'd commented to my friend how invisible both he and Marner seemed, considering the opposition.

If he plays like that all season versus NHL caliber teams, I don't think he's going to be racking up any more points than he has for the Isles the past 3 seasons.

This is what I saw too. Just to add credence for those that cannot or did not see the game last night.

 

[eoin92]

What are you basing this on? Him scoring 2 goals in a pre-season game versus Ottawa's AHL squad?

Honestly, I watched that game last night and I didn't even think he played all that well. He and Marner racked up points because Ottawa's squad was just awful and both of them are clearly talented players. But it wasn't this dominating display that his point totals suggest it was. In fact, before he scored his 2nd goal I'd commented to my friend how invisible both he and Marner seemed, considering the opposition.

If he plays like that all season versus NHL caliber teams, I don't think he's going to be racking up any more points than he has for the Isles the past 3 seasons.

Monster is probably an exaggeration. However, compared to how some isles fans are projecting his numbers, it’ll be a monster year. I do expect him to put up numbers at least similar to what he has in recent years.

 

[aronjudge11]

JT was consistent from.season to season.not sure why anyone is talking about his projected production. The guy can play well with ahl wingers.He can play with high level talent. He did in the Olympics. I also think and have mentioned, losing out on the Olympics did not help his chances of staying. To many players the Olympics are the dream, the NHL is the job. It hurt the ISLES to have the Olympics and NHL dispute

 

[SI90]

JT was consistent from.season to season.not sure why anyone is talking about his projected production. The guy can play well with ahl wingers.He can play with high level talent. He did in the Olympics. I also think and have mentioned, losing out on the Olympics did not help his chances of staying. To many players the Olympics are the dream, the NHL is the job. It hurt the ISLES to have the Olympics and NHL dispute

Olympics?

His childhood dream was to play for the Leafs. He already represented Canada and won gold at the Olympics.

He’s gone. He didn’t want to be here. He’s not an islander anymore. We need to move on and forget about him.

The isles finally have no excuses. Real ownership,real management, real coach, and arena solved.

Maybe Tavares was scared to finally have no excuses and he wasn’t ready to accept that challenge? Or maybe not? Maybe snow f***ed yo this thing for too long and Tavares was eyeing TOR the last couple of years. Or maybe it really was all about his fiancé now wife? Who cares? All roads lead to him not being here. f*** him. We need to rally around this team now and be excited about the future. The Tavares era died with one playoff series win that will be a great memory but really the only great memory in 9 years.

It’s time for the Barzal era and the New, New York Islanders.

 

[13th Floor]

Olympics?

His childhood dream was to play for the Leafs. He already represented Canada and won gold at the Olympics.

He’s gone. He didn’t want to be here. He’s not an islander anymore. We need to move on and forget about him.

The isles finally have no excuses. Real ownership,real management, real coach, and arena solved.

Maybe Tavares was scared to finally have no excuses and he wasn’t ready to accept that challenge? Or maybe not? Maybe snow ****ed yo this thing for too long and Tavares was eyeing TOR the last couple of years. Or maybe it really was all about his fiancé now wife? Who cares? All roads lead to him not being here. **** him. We need to rally around this team now and be excited about the future. The Tavares era died with one playoff series win that will be a great memory but really the only great memory in 9 years.

It’s time for the Barzal era and the New, New York Islanders.

Agreed that it's time to put this to bed. Let's look to the future. I think the answers are all pretty obvious: he always has had a soft spot for the Leafs; this organization was a complete shit show for his 9-year career here; it was fixed a little too late and he left.

Can't really blame his decision at all. God this franchise has been shit to root for for decades - we get it. We just blame the way he did it -- oh well. What's done and done.

As for his production? Who cares. He's an elite player, he'll be fine. He will get his points much like he did here. My prediction is that he paces a little less since there's more offense to go around in Toronto compared to what he had here. But I also think he doesn't help them where they need it the most to get them over the hump. He still has his best chance to win a cup going into this year so far in his career -- can't really deny that. They'll be a good team.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Monster is probably an exaggeration. However, compared to how some isles fans are projecting his numbers, it’ll be a monster year. I do expect him to put up numbers at least similar to what he has in recent years.

I haven't seen many low projections for his totals from Islanders fans, so maybe we're judging based on different reactions. From what I've seen, most Isles fans think he'll produce roughly what he's done with the Isles. I think the disagreement with Leaf fans is when some Leaf fans think there's going to be this massive explosion (ie. first 50 goal year, first 100 point year, etc.).

 

[SI90]

I haven't seen many low projections for his totals from Islanders fans, so maybe we're judging based on different reactions. From what I've seen, most Isles fans think he'll produce roughly what he's done with the Isles. I think the disagreement with Leaf fans is when some Leaf fans think there's going to be this massive explosion (ie. first 50 goal year, first 100 point year, etc.).

My guess is between 70-90pts with his usual 30 goals

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

My guess is between 70-90pts with his usual 30 goals

Really going out on a limb there, eh SI90?

I predict anywhere from 40 to 150 points, give or take 40 points in either direction.

 

[SI90]

Really going out on a limb there, eh SI90?

I predict anywhere from 40 to 150 points, give or take 40 points in either direction.

Lol damn.

Seriously though if you look at him that’s his range.

 

[aronjudge11]

Olympics?

His childhood dream was to play for the Leafs. He already represented Canada and won gold at the Olympics.

He’s gone. He didn’t want to be here. He’s not an islander anymore. We need to move on and forget about him.

The isles finally have no excuses. Real ownership,real management, real coach, and arena solved.

Maybe Tavares was scared to finally have no excuses and he wasn’t ready to accept that challenge? Or maybe not? Maybe snow ****ed yo this thing for too long and Tavares was eyeing TOR the last couple of years. Or maybe it really was all about his fiancé now wife? Who cares? All roads lead to him not being here. **** him. We need to rally around this team now and be excited about the future. The Tavares era died with one playoff series win that will be a great memory but really the only great memory in 9 years.

It’s time for the Barzal era and the New, New York Islanders.

Child hood dreams don't mean anything when you are a adult if those dreams don't exist. If Toronto and the ISLES switched lineups, he's not signing in Toronto unless it was the wife's call. If the leafs had moved three years ago and Toronto had the expansion knights team this past season, he still goes to Toronto. If he cared about Toronto leafs, he doesn't do the previous extension with the isles. The problem with understanding JT, is fans take him for his word, when the guy says what most athletes say...whatever is polite. HE is not going to sign with the leafs and say.."my agent told the isles to fix the arena situation and build a cup contender or would leave and they didn't build a winner, I probably have four more good NHL season's in me before I'm bouncing around the NHL every year, playing wing on the 2nd line, ...So I wanted to go to a team highly likely to see the playoffs and this is convenient for my wife and myself having only one home"...

 

[SI90]

Child hood dreams don't mean anything when you are a adult if those dreams don't exist. If Toronto and the ISLES switched lineups, he's not signing in Toronto unless it was the wife's call. If the leafs had moved three years ago and Toronto had the expansion knights team this past season, he still goes to Toronto. If he cared about Toronto leafs, he doesn't do the previous extension with the isles. The problem with understanding JT, is fans take him for his word, when the guy says what most athletes say...whatever is polite. Yes not going to sign with the leads and say.."my agent told the isles to fix the arena situation and build a cup contender or would leave and they didn't build a winner, I probably have four more good NHL season's in me before I'm bouncing around the NHL every year, playing wing on the 2nd line, ...So I wanted to go to a team highly likely to see the playoffs and this is convenient for my wife and myself having only one home"...

The only thing better TOR has is a better goalie. Matthews is better than Barzal but Barzal is still a legit #1 Center talent.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Child hood dreams don't mean anything when you are a adult if those dreams don't exist. If Toronto and the ISLES switched lineups, he's not signing in Toronto unless it was the wife's call. If the leafs had moved three years ago and Toronto had the expansion knights team this past season, he still goes to Toronto. If he cared about Toronto leafs, he doesn't do the previous extension with the isles. The problem with understanding JT, is fans take him for his word, when the guy says what most athletes say...whatever is polite. HE is not going to sign with the leafs and say.."my agent told the isles to fix the arena situation and build a cup contender or would leave and they didn't build a winner, I probably have four more good NHL season's in me before I'm bouncing around the NHL every year, playing wing on the 2nd line, ...So I wanted to go to a team highly likely to see the playoffs and this is convenient for my wife and myself having only one home"...

When you take a test in school do they give you extra time to finish?

 

[LeapOnOver]

I think we need to agree to disagree on this. Time will tell but I don't see Pelech being a regular on a playoff team. He doesn't handle the puck well enough or skate well enough imo.

Fair enough, but at least we'll get to see what he does under a real coach in a logical defensive system rather than what he's had the last two years.

People around here used to think de Haan sucks. For some reason defenseman get a way shorter leash here when they actually need a much longer one.

 

[boredmale]

JT was consistent from.season to season.not sure why anyone is talking about his projected production.

Before this season he had 2 underwhelming seasons of 70 points

The guy can play well with ahl wingers.

This is a bit unfair. Parenteau proved he can score elsewhere without Tavares and Moulson despite his flaws such as skating and 200 foot game had amazing hand eye coordination that scored many goals most couldn't(ie he had one talent that meshed well with Tavares on the scoreboard)

He can play with high level talent. He did in the Olympics. I also think and have mentioned, losing out on the Olympics did not help his chances of staying. To many players the Olympics are the dream, the NHL is the job. It hurt the ISLES to have the Olympics and NHL dispute

He had 0 points in 4 games at the Olympics, not sure that is the best example to use. lol

For the sake of argument he generally performed better at tournaments he was the man like World Jr and World Championships