Is there a disconnect between the Senators organization and the fans?

[Sensmileletsgo]

Dorion just called his proudest day as a GM at arguably our lowest point in franchise history. We just finished trading our last star player who most were hoping to make a captain because we couldnt get him to sign here.

I'm not sure if Dorion is delusional or if there is a disconnect or if he is just extremely stubborn and has way to big of an ego.

 

[NorthCoast]

Most of the team that fell apart was not built by pierre dorion but the person that was gm before him.

Oh, okay.

So then what has DP accomplished that warrants my trust?

The Duchene trade?

His handling of the team last season?

The decision to use last years 1st instead or keeping it for this year.

His attempts to resign EK, Duch, Stone?


The scouting he did under Murray is the only good thing on his resume.

 

[The Lewler]

Do Bears Poop in the Woods?

 

[solidprospect]

Dorion just called his proudest day as a GM at arguably our lowest point in franchise history. We just finished trading our last star player who most were hoping to make a captain because we couldnt get him to sign here.

I'm not sure if Dorion is delusional or if there is a disconnect or if he is just extremely stubborn and has way to big of an ego.

Could you name the last time we traded for someone better than Brannstrom?

Obviously Stone staying is the preference but what's he going to say, this is terrible day for the franchise we'll never recover from this?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Dorion just called his proudest day as a GM at arguably our lowest point in franchise history. We just finished trading our last star player who most were hoping to make a captain because we couldnt get him to sign here.

I'm not sure if Dorion is delusional or if there is a disconnect or if he is just extremely stubborn and has way to big of an ego.

I get the outrage and I absolutely agree that Dorion shouldn't have said anything of the sort considering he had just finished blowing up the team.

I do think he meant it more in a scout's mind, he just got an insane prospect for Stone. I haven't watched Brannstrom but everyone seems to agree that he is as legit as they come, for a scout that has to be pretty damn exciting.

Just more proof that he isn't GM material.

 

[solidprospect]

Oh, okay.

So then what has DP accomplished that warrants my trust?

The Duchene trade?

His handling of the team last season?

The decision to use last years 1st instead or keeping it for this year.

His attempts to resign EK, Duch, Stone?


The scouting he did under Murray is the only good thing on his resume.

You're going off in many directions but this is why rebuilding was necessary. If you blame Dorion for right now,then i can give credit to dorion for getting us to the east final, but am not going to do that because their is more going on than just that 1 individual person. Putting %100 blame or credit on a single person when that's not the case.

 

[Raze The Stray]

Most of the team that fell apart was not built by pierre dorion but the person that was gm before him.

When would you say the falling apart happened? I seem to remember a certain event really gearin'er up.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Could you name the last time we traded for someone better than Brannstrom?

Obviously Stone staying is the preference but what's he going to say, this is terrible day for the franchise we'll never recover from this?

No, that would also be a stupid thing for him to say as well as it is as at the other extreme end. The answer somewhere lies in the middle.

 

[solidprospect]

When would you say the falling apart happened? I seem to remember a certain event really gearin'er up.

I only remember Dorion talking about a rumor he heard and that if he acted on every rumor he heard things would be chaos but it wasn't until several months after, that he realized it was true. Which event are you referring?

 

[Slack]

I think FQL hit the nail on the head. There's isn't a disconnect so much as it is the organization being content to feed the fanbase BS spin as opposed to being upfront and honest. The fact that they're so tone deaf is by design.

 

[Raze The Stray]

I only remember Dorion talking about a rumor he heard and that if he acted on every rumor he heard things would be chaos but it wasn't until several months after, that he realized it was true. Which event are you referring?

That seems like it came at the tail end of a **** season.

 

[BonkTastic]

This poll is hilarious.

61-0 so far. Not even one single outlier in the sample.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I think FQL hit the nail on the head. There's isn't a disconnect so much as it is the organization being content to feed the fanbase BS spin as opposed to being upfront and honest. The fact that they're so tone deaf is by design.

Melnyk loves Fox News. It all makes perfect sense: attack, deny and bravado.

"We are 10% better at winning games than under the previous ownership structure". All the pieces fit perfectly: Rutkowski just knows how to please his boss.

 

[saskriders]

This poll is hilarious.

61-0 so far. Not even one single outlier in the sample.

But only one lady has yelled at Dorion. That is the true scientific measurement of a fanbase's displeasure with the team

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

This poll is hilarious.

61-0 so far. Not even one single outlier in the sample.

Yeah, you'd think at least one person would have accidentally clicked the wrong circle.... what are the odds of that?

 

[The Lewler]

This poll is hilarious.

61-0 so far. Not even one single outlier in the sample.

There is no regression to the mean. The regression is the owner. :O :O

 

[billpo]

Dude, the entire league has been talking about what a train wreck this franchise is since the summer...stop thinking everyone else is crazy.

Find me a poll from 2016 where half the fanbases says that the team should trade EK?

The only polls you have are essentially asking:

"Now that the owner irreparably damaged the relationship between Karlsson and the team, ensuring that he will never resign under the current ownership, should the team trade Karlsson or let him leave for nothing"

Because that is the context around him being traded.

Is Alfie in the minority?

Is the Mayor in the minority?

Are all the players that have left and had negative comments about the ownership in the minority?

Is the public at large and the entire hockey media in the minority?


Even Garrioch posted a video the other day saying that the team needs to lay out it's plan because they don't understand the direction now that Duchene/Stone will not be part of the rebuild.

"We will be better in 2017/2018 than the year before" - FAIL
"We are loading up for the cup" - FAIL
"We plan to sign EK" - FAIL
"We plan to sign Duchene/Stone" - FAIL
"We are planning to move the team downtown" - FAIL

How can fans not be misaligned with the direction of this team...when every direction they take they FAIL.

The only direction is to do the best they can while investing ZERO dollars into the business. That's it. If that makes us a cap team great. If that means that we are a sub-cap floor team buy leveraging insured contracts then that's great too. So long as the ownership of this business does not have to invest or risk any money on it then we have achieved the direction of the team.

that video was HILARIOUS !!!!!

 

[swiftwin]

I don't think there's a disconnect. I think Melnyk just doesn't give a f***.

 

[Blotto71]

This poll is hilarious.

61-0 so far. Not even one single outlier in the sample.

77 - 0 now, 1 angry fan and 76 polite, but disgruntled, fans

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

I just made it 82-0 in the poll, which is coincidentally what Dorion believes our record will be in 2022

 

[armani]

Is water wet?

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

The disconnect is minorities thinking that the entire fanbase has the same opinion as they do.

One minority, for example, more than half were okay with Karlsson being traded.

Where did you come up with more than half of the fanbase were okay with Karlsson being traded?

 

[Speatleysson]

90/90 vote that there is a disconnect. Pierre dorion thinks everything is hunky dory between the organization and the fans... spare us

 

[ThreePosts]

Could you name the last time we traded for someone better than Brannstrom?

Obviously Stone staying is the preference but what's he going to say, this is terrible day for the franchise we'll never recover from this?

No, he shouldn't have said we'd never recover. Because eventually, we can.

But yes, he absolutely should've acknowledged this was a terrible day for the franchise and its fans. Because it was. And because every other GM or respected hockey executive would have. Not doing so simply wasn't credible.

He himself stated, numerous times, that the next time he talked about Stone and Duchene, it would be to announce their contract extensions. Obviously he wanted to sign them, not trade for Erik Brannstrom. What exactly would be wrong with acknowledging how terrible this outcome is for the Sens, their fans and, quite honestly, for him?

It's called Leadership. And yesterday, Pierre showed none. And his failure to acknowledge the devastation to the organization and its fans is unforgivable IMO.

 

[Cosmix]

One needs to be particularly daft to think the relationship between the team and its fans is anywhere near healthy right now...

Daft is an apt description for Dorion. Vastly improved my ass.