BraveCanadian
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What do you mean by this statement? Do you mean that some of the older players are underrated or overrated?
What's wrong with Toews' prime years? He was the undisputed 1C on a team that won 3 Cups. He won a Smythe and a Selke, and none of those awards were robbed from someone else. He's made great showings internationally. He's been a consistently good goal scorer (11 straight seasons with 20+ goals, despite lockout shortened years and injuries). Best centers behind him in CHI during the Cups were Bolland (very good playoff performer, but come on, CHI won a third without him) and twilight/washed up B. Richards. Not exactly a Sakic/Forsberg, Fedorov/Yzerman, Crosby/Malkin situation. Even Bergeron had a guy/2C (Krejci) who could carry most of the scoring. Ask any VAN fan if Toews was a difference maker or not. That SH goal in game 7 in 2011 with a minute to go, to tie the game...
People need to chill with the hyperbole. Yes, I know he posed in a picture with Gretzky, but who cares?
Bergeron is a lock.
The only thing that hurts him is that he's a quiet, unassuming guy who does the important things well, but is not the best at the flashy, glitzy stuff. Because of this, he doesn't get a lot of media attention. But, in terms of hockey ability and results of play, he is absolutely deserving of a place in the Hall.
most telling proof of that is his advanced stats are absurd.
career #s:
CF = 57.7
CFrel = 6.7
FF = 57.6
FFrel = 6.9
52.0% dZone start
ES on ice GF/GA: 552/381
Hell, the man has multiple seasons with a positive CFrel on the PK!
most telling proof of that is his advanced stats are absurd.
career #s:
CF = 57.7
CFrel = 6.7
FF = 57.6
FFrel = 6.9
52.0% dZone start
ES on ice GF/GA: 552/381
Hell, the man has multiple seasons with a positive CFrel on the PK!
Hell, the man has multiple seasons with a positive CFrel on the PK!
What in the hell are CF/CFrel, FF/FFrel ?
Hell, the man has multiple seasons with a positive CFrel on the PK!
Could I dare say that Bergeron has a better case then Jonathan Toews? Really the only claim Toews has over Bergeron is that he's won 3 cups. His Selke record doesn't even come close to Bergeron's. If I had to choose between the 2 players, I'd choose Bergeron even at this stage in his career.
4 Selke's in 6 seasons and 2 runner-ups. Top 5 in 9 straight seasons and is a better offensive player then Bob Gainey. Is he a lock at this point?
Lots of love in this thread for a guy who I'm pretty sure has never finished in the top 20 in scoring
Personally, I never considered him to be a future Hall of Famer
Even defensive stars like Fedorov (2nd), Gilmour (5th) and Datsyuk (4th x2) managed to be among the scoring leaders at various times throughout their careers
look at it this way.
if Bob Gainey and his "blistering" career 0.43 ppg playing in the late 70s and 80s = HOF, then Bergeron could retire today and moon walk in
150th, surely - 1980-81 NHL Skater Statistics | Hockey-Reference.comTake for instance his highest scoring season of 47 points in 1980-81, a season in which TWELVE other players scored over 100 points and I think Gainey was close to 5oth in points in the league?