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4 Selke's in 6 seasons and 2 runner-ups. Top 5 in 9 straight seasons and is a better offensive player then Bob Gainey. Is he a lock at this point?
4 Selke's in 6 seasons and 2 runner-ups. Top 5 in 9 straight seasons and is a better offensive player then Bob Gainey. Is he a lock at this point?
A candidate? Certainly. I don't think that he is a lock but I do think that he is very likely to make the HHOF. He's got the reputation of a winner (he must be the only player to have won the WJC, WC, Olympics, World Cup, Stanley Cup, Spengler Cup), he's very well respected, and most importantly he has the novelty of all those Selke trophies. If he hadn't gotten injured last year he would have won the Selke, giving him the most ever and bolstering his case ever more. He still has a good shot at future Selke trophies given how the award is given out now and his strong linemates in Boston.
I think he was trending that way but this year is yet another injury and probably knocked out of the race for the Selke again.
He is 240 points away from 100 but can he string 4 more 60 point seasons together, he is already 33?
He would be in my HHOF but not sure what the actual voters will think of him.
look at it this way.
if Bob Gainey and his "blistering" career 0.43 ppg playing in the late 70s and 80s = HOF, then Bergeron could retire today and moon walk in
look at it this way.
if Bob Gainey and his "blistering" career 0.43 ppg playing in the late 70s and 80s = HOF, then Bergeron could retire today and moon walk in
Could I dare say that Bergeron has a better case then Jonathan Toews? Really the only claim Toews has over Bergeron is that he's won 3 cups. His Selke record doesn't even come close to Bergeron's. If I had to choose between the 2 players, I'd choose Bergeron even at this stage in his career.
You could've skipped the formalities and gotten rid of the underlined.
That said, Bergeron is an easy HOFer. Anyone who doesn't think so just hasn't been watching hockey for the last 10 years. And he'll have the benefit of quantifiable "advanced" stats that a lot of older players of his ilk don't. If he played in the pre-Selke era and we were just looking at his career now, what would he have to show for it on paper? He's one of the players that really makes me question what we know about older players.
look at it this way.
if Bob Gainey and his "blistering" career 0.43 ppg playing in the late 70s and 80s = HOF, then Bergeron could retire today and moon walk in
Toews is the king of making me question what we know of older players, particularly if the information regarding the player is almost exclusively from the media of the time.
Toews is the king of making me question what we know of older players, particularly if the information regarding the player is almost exclusively from the media of the time.
What's wrong with Toews' prime years? He was the undisputed 1C on a team that won 3 Cups. He won a Smythe and a Selke, and none of those awards were robbed from someone else. He's made great showings internationally. He's been a consistently good goal scorer (11 straight seasons with 20+ goals, despite lockout shortened years and injuries). Best centers behind him in CHI during the Cups were Bolland (very good playoff performer, but come on, CHI won a third without him) and twilight/washed up B. Richards. Not exactly a Sakic/Forsberg, Fedorov/Yzerman, Crosby/Malkin situation. Even Bergeron had a guy/2C (Krejci) who could carry most of the scoring. Ask any VAN fan if Toews was a difference maker or not. That SH goal in game 7 in 2011 with a minute to go, to tie the game...
People need to chill with the hyperbole. Yes, I know he posed in a picture with Gretzky, but who cares?