Is now the time to deal JVR?

[The Apologist]

I have faith that Babcock can work with him and help to maintain his trade value for the most part. I also don't under estimate the potential of Kadri and PA to put up points as a line as well if that's the first line.

I'm not too worried.

You have more faith than I do. i hooe Im wrong. Theres nothing at all in his history to indicate this is the case though.

We may regret not selling high on this one

 

[The Apologist]

Are you saying JVR wouldn't be a top 6 forward without Kessel?
What he does with it is on him.
Do you think he has the ability and tell me why you don't think he will be looked upon as the go to guy? Or at least 1 of 3. Who is it? Komarov?

Because he never has been. Ive posted it several times in this thread. Hes soft, lazy, one dimensional. He is everything people hated about Phil. Yet less talented.

Hes big but plays tiny.

He disappears for long periods of time, checks out.

And he gave up just as bad as all the other cancers on this team last year.

Hes given zero indication that he can take the next step under several coaches.

Now he doesnt have his meal ticket.

Now, why dont you do what n9body else has done yet and give an honest reason why you believe he is different than the other two apparent wastes from his line.

 

[Trapper]

Because he never has been. Ive posted it several times in this thread. Hes soft, lazy, one dimensional. He is everything people hated about Phil. Yet less talented.

Hes big but plays tiny.

He disappears for long periods of time, checks out.

And he gave up just as bad as all the other cancers on this team last year.

Hes given zero indication that he can take the next step under several coaches.

Now he doesnt have his meal ticket.

Now, why dont you do what n9body else has done yet and give an honest reason why you believe he is different than the other two apparent wastes from his line.

They must feel Babcock can do something about the above.
But if he can't, not to worry it won't take him long to figure out. JVR will still have value 20 some games into next season. If he can't be changed, I expect he will be traded.
Even with those shared traits, Phil is a top line forward, while JVR has the skill of a top 6. And his age and salary will still have value in trade.

 

[The Apologist]

They must feel Babcock can do something about the above.
But if he can't, not to worry it won't take him long to figure out. JVR will still have value 20 some games into next season. If he can't be changed, I expect he will be traded.
Even with those shared traits, Phil is a top line forward, while JVR has the skill of a top 6. And his age and salary will still have value in trade.

I hope Babs can do what at least three other coaches have failed to do.

Maybe he just isnt that good....

 

[The CyNick]

I like Harrington, but if he is rated the same as Dano then someone need to sit down and actually watch them.

Dano stepped into the NHL and played like a first liner last season, for 30 games. He's a complete package prospect with top line upside.

Harrington is an older prospect who could become a 4-5 D-man down the line.

The rankings are just rankings. Your analysis could be right, the HF analysis could be right. Jim Carey looked good there for a while, and then he was junk. Point is people like to throw around statements with no factual basis behind them. Just trying to shoehorn a point.

 

[Purity*]

Of course it's worse, how could it not be?
Take the leading scorer off any team and it's going to be worse.
The point is, now other people have to step up. Maybe people that were kept down the lineup.
If all you see is how are we going to survive, then there is no point arguing with you. We need by committee now, not waiting for one individual.

Basis of the argument is don't expect JVR to be a 30-goal 60 point first liner without Kessel in the picture.

"Other people have to step up." Nice theory and all but defenses always had Kessel as the focal point, I seriously don't know if JVR/Kadri can handle being the focal points of defense.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Basis of the argument is don't expect JVR to be a 30-goal 60 point first liner without Kessel in the picture.

"Other people have to step up." Nice theory and all but defenses always had Kessel as the focal point, I seriously don't know if JVR/Kadri can handle being the focal points of defense.

Will be interesting to see what the Leafs do when they're not a rush team. JvR came over from Philly a beast along the boards but I haven't seen that so far with the Leafs.

 

[Kurtz]

We could definitely use another top-line defensive prospect in the organization, and JVR might be the best piece we have left to obtain one. There are a couple of teams that could use a winger with his skill/size/age/contract.

For instance, I'd love to have a conversation with Nashville about Jones (we'd have to add), or maybe with Florida about Matheson/Mccoshen (they'd have to add).

 

[Trapper]

Basis of the argument is don't expect JVR to be a 30-goal 60 point first liner without Kessel in the picture.

"Other people have to step up." Nice theory and all but defenses always had Kessel as the focal point, I seriously don't know if JVR/Kadri can handle being the focal points of defense.

And other teams will know the Leafs are lacking in talent. If JVR is top of the scoring on a lousy team, other teams will still be interested.
Buffalo was the worst team but Tyler Ennis is a good player. 40 points with nothing.
Stepping up doesn't mean he has to (or can) equal the points he got with Kessel. How could he? Kessel vs. Bozak/Parenteau?
The title of this thread: is the time now to deal JVR?
It doesn't have to be.
Stepping up to be the guy used in all situations is what he needs to do. If he's a lazy floater, it will be seen. If he's working hard and the points are down because we are a bad team, that will be seen as well.
Now if a team like Jersey offers me Larsson or Severson for JVR, I make the deal. If not, we can wait.
20 goals and 20 some assist for 40 + points on a bad team while being a plus player is stepping up. And he will have value because if he does this, teams will know put him with a good center and he can produce more.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Why is Daisy spiritually a dude? Because she can talk intelligently about hockey? Is it your opinion that you can't really be a woman and talk intelligently about sports? That you have to be a man, at least in spirit, to do that?

I realize that you intended it as a joke, but, in my mind, we're well into into the 21st century and this kind of sexist bull **** should not exist.

I'm pretty sure she can speak for herself. Are you trying to imply that women can't speak for themselves?

I realize you were trying to make some dumbass PC point, but it's the 21st century now and that kind of crap needs to stop!

 

[LV*]

Why is Daisy spiritually a dude? Because she can talk intelligently about hockey? Is it your opinion that you can't really be a woman and talk intelligently about sports? That you have to be a man, at least in spirit, to do that?

I realize that you intended it as a joke, but, in my mind, we're well into into the 21st century and this kind of sexist bull **** should not exist.

hey everyone its the ladies man of HF

 

[Joey Hoser]

I realize you were trying to make some dumbass PC point, but it's the 21st century now and that kind of crap needs to stop!

Yeah. Screw these people and their manners, consideration for others and not wanting to ostracize women. We need to keep them in their place and let them know when they're treading on man territory.

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

JVR needs to go.

He's a player who provides no defensive effort night in and night out, his offence is decent but has pretty much rode Kessel's coattail since joining the Leafs. When he doesn't provide offence, he's completely invisible

This guy is going to badly exposed this season without playing with an elite players

Rather get an excellent prospect + a pick and sell high on this guy

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Yeah. Screw these people and their manners, consideration for others and not wanting to ostracize women. We need to keep them in their place and let them know when they're treading on man territory.

Another person who has clearly never spoken to a woman before.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Another person who has clearly never spoken to a woman before.

What does that even mean? Like, if I did, I'd know they're stupid or something?

What the **** is this ****?

 

[beleaf67]

coyotes hockeybuzz blogger proposed this for JVR.

"Maybe Perlini + Gormley gets them JVR. " would you do it?

I don't know much about this guys...

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/154

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/185

 

[Joey Hoser]

coyotes hockeybuzz blogger proposed this for JVR.

"Maybe Perlini + Gormley gets them JVR. " would you do it?

I don't know much about this guys...

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/154

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/185

Not a huge Perlini fan, but Gormley + something significant interests me.

 

[Sypher04]

if we make JVR available, I'm confident we can get a better return.

There is something to be said about improving the team you're fighting with though lol (at least when you project as a bottom feeder as we do)

 

[Leafs at Knight]

coyotes hockeybuzz blogger proposed this for JVR.

"Maybe Perlini + Gormley gets them JVR. " would you do it?

I don't know much about this guys...

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/154

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/185

Nope.

 

[Bobs your uncle]

If the Leafs trade JVR then they are going full out Oiler. The team needs some mature pieces to add some measure of talent & stability.

 

[Daisy Jane]

If the Leafs trade JVR then they are going full out Oiler. The team needs some mature pieces to add some measure of talent & stability.

Why? just because the leafs trade JVR doesn't mean the kids will come up, which is what I think a lot of people are thinking and/or expecting, which doesn't necessarily have to be the case at all.

 

[Trapper]

If the Leafs trade JVR then they are going full out Oiler. The team needs some mature pieces to add some measure of talent & stability.

No going full out Oilers is:

Nylander-Marner-Kapanen
Leipsic-Gauthier-Brown

Top 2 lines.

Winnik/Arcobello/Spaling/Bozak/Kadri/Lupul/Komarov/Parenteau is going Arizona.

Arizona is Vermette/Doan/Boedker/Hanzel/Chipchura/Richardson etc.

Journeyman vets while the kids develop. Designed to be mediocre/bad with players who are not the future.

 

[meefer]

I'm pretty sure she can speak for herself. Are you trying to imply that women can't speak for themselves?

I realize you were trying to make some dumbass PC point, but it's the 21st century now and that kind of crap needs to stop!

I know Daisy can speak for herself, but please read the above, +1.

And to whether we trade JVR or not, I'm all in on the trade. Get the 1st round pick for JVR + Pitts (they will make the playoffs) and our 1st and that = 3 in the first (plus a fourth if we can get it for Dion). Not knowing who will flesh out in the upcoming year, that still looks very attractive.

 

[rojac]

There aren't as many women investing in the fanatic sports community as men. That's all.

The post was a mere joke. Isn't Toronto supposed to be the land of racialised poverty? I suppose we ought cracking on that arguably bigger fish.

I realized it is a joke. Well, perhaps if men didn't effectively say that you have to be a man (physically or spiritually) to be a member of that community, there would be more women.

I didn't realize that I was only allowed to comment on social issues that you approve of.

 

[BEERnSOUP]

I would have answered this Q with a resounding "yes" due to the time frame on his contract and expecting he could get a great return of futures. Then Oshie got traded for a steamy pile, and I wonder if maybe we'd be best waiting a bit until the market changes.