Over heard that players don't wanna sign for Wings due to Babcock .. and that should have played a major part for Wings missing out of some bigger UFA signings the last few years.
Speculation: Is it time for Holland to step down?
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ArGarBarGar
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While Nyquist+Tatar wasn't mentioned at the time, It was said that "DET had a way BETTER offer for Bouwmeester"
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1399097&highlight=det
Next year, Bob McKenzie (one of the most reliable sources in hockey) comes out and says it was Nyquist+Tatar for Bouwmeester, which I would classify as a way better offer
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1647885&highlight=detroit
Had Feaster not been a moron, this team would be screwed out of two young top 6 forwards because of Holland's idiocy. In two years time Nyquist, Tatar and Jarnkrok would be out the door in return for Legwand and Bouwmeester
I'm inclined to believe our GM is a moron who doesn't understand how to properly manage his assets
without details, from an agent.
also this year players backed away from Wings which in turn influenced others to move to other organizations.
Negative spiral with rumor saying the organization is heading nowhere...
is it possible that Babcock has a bad rap or is being disliked? I understood it to be more on a person to person level and lack of development and not coaching style or system. Wings play an attractive possesion game so thats perfectly understandable.
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Pavels Dog
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The outrage over this rumored trade offer just proves that Holland can't win. Unless he lands a top 4 d-man by trading Kindl and a 2nd he is going to get massive amount of criticism no matter what. He's either too conservative to pull the trigger on something, or he massively overpays (which is a funny opinion considering the Nyquist+Tatar offer was refused).While Nyquist+Tatar wasn't mentioned at the time, It was said that "DET had a way BETTER offer for Bouwmeester"
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1399097&highlight=det
Next year, Bob McKenzie (one of the most reliable sources in hockey) comes out and says it was Nyquist+Tatar for Bouwmeester, which I would classify as a way better offer
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1647885&highlight=detroit
Had Feaster not been a moron, this team would be screwed out of two young top 6 forwards because of Holland's idiocy. In two years time Nyquist, Tatar and Jarnkrok would be out the door in return for Legwand and Bouwmeester
I'm inclined to believe our GM is a moron who doesn't understand how to properly manage his assets
Had that trade gone through it could have changed a lot of factors, possibly for worse but maybe for the better. Maybe having a better defensive group helps us attract more FAs and we manage to cope without Nyquist and Tats. Heck, right now everyone is offering Tatar in every single trade proposal so it's not like Wings fans think he's important for us.
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I think Calgary was too hung up on getting a first in that deal because they wanted to try and package and move up, they did get their first but failed to move us.
"for Bouwmeester or another player"
I'm guessing Giordono. It would have been more interesting if it was Iggy plus one of those D men for Tatar+Nyquist+1st
"for Bouwmeester or another player"
I'm guessing Giordono. It would have been more interesting if it was Iggy plus one of those D men for Tatar+Nyquist+1st
While Nyquist+Tatar wasn't mentioned at the time, It was said that "DET had a way BETTER offer for Bouwmeester"
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1399097&highlight=det
Next year, Bob McKenzie (one of the most reliable sources in hockey) comes out and says it was Nyquist+Tatar for Bouwmeester, which I would classify as a way better offer
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1647885&highlight=detroit
Had Feaster not been a moron, this team would be screwed out of two young top 6 forwards because of Holland's idiocy. In two years time Nyquist, Tatar and Jarnkrok would be out the door in return for Legwand and Bouwmeester
I'm inclined to believe our GM is a moron who doesn't understand how to properly manage his assets
In the first thread you link to the deal rumored five pages in was Sheahan, Jurco, and a 2nd from an interview with McGuirre and McKenzie.
Believe whatever you want, and I'm not sure how much worse/better a deal involving Sheahan/Jurco would be. Considering either deal was turned down by Feaster, and that we can't seem to get a deal done for anyone when trying to trade our prospects, maybe it reflects how the league values our guys just as much as it reflects Holland's evaluations of them.
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I voted 'no', with the caveat that it changes to a 'yes' the moment Steve Yzerman becomes available.
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Interview with Holland > http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/audio-ken-holland-on-the-wings
Can't listen since I'm at work, but I'm sure there's some gems in there.
Can't listen since I'm at work, but I'm sure there's some gems in there.
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He kind of pointed out that Cleary was signed for a leadership role. "We need people who can speak and lead with an example, on and off the ice. And who will want to be at Detroit."
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The exact same lies you hear him say every off-season.
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Cleary is a leader in the locker room
Talks about youth movement and how much he is pushing for it.
I can't believe i am going to have to spend another year complaining about the exact same things.
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I was quoting the guy who posted that he overheard that Babcock was the reason that FAs weren't signing eith us and when asked how he heard it he said "without details, from an agent"
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Q: what have you been doing the past couple of weeks:
kenny: fill out the coaching staff, close to a hiring couple of people, once the players (only dekeyser) are signed, and coaches are hired, we'll see what the next 6-7 weeks will bring.
Q: how busy have you been on trade front, trying to find RH dman?
kenny: it's pretty slow since middle of july, rosters are mostly set. we targeted 4-5 players on july 1st. likes the G. needs weiss, helm and co healthy, young players need to develop. feels good about what they have up front. we have 7 NHL dman (lol @ kindl and lashoff being NHL dman and if lashoff is one, we have 10 at least), unfortunately all shoot left. would like to add RH D. hot commodity, other teams try that too.
said they are anxious to see what sproul can do in pre-season. mentions marchenko, ouellet too.
Q: can you pin-point why didn't you land anyone july 1st? (props for dery on thinking quincey is nobody)
kenny: 'our needs were specific, RH dman who can generate points, attack and play on the pp'. not a lot of guys like that out there, so many teams going after those few guys. other than 35-goal scorer upfront, we're fine at F. last year we landed our guys (doesn't mention weiss, lol), this year we didn't. that's the new world.
mentions the importance of drafting and developing. says they will give young players opportunity (yeah, right). after they missed out on their people, no need to sign someone who they already have in system and is cheaper and younger.
Q: did any of the big UFA not come here cus the coach has only 1 yr left on his deal?
kenny: .... no (chuckles). other teams have that situation too. 30 teams in the league. everybody was in the game this year (not true btw). says that if some say that players don't want to sign 6-7 year deal bc the coach has 1 yr left, they are just making stuff up. lots of reasons why players don't sign in some place, might be money, term, GF/wife, geography.
Q: what about dan cleary, was there made a promise back last year to bring him back this year, too?
kenny: ..... cleary had number of 3 yr contract offers, chose not to sign them. kenny says he talked to the leadership group of the team, the coach all wanted him back. (kenny also mentions how well he played in playoffs what i don't get at all) one of the few vocal people in locker room, doesn't have a letter, but in the eyes of his teammates he is not far off having one.
unfortunately cleary had tough year, mostly due to injury (i wonder how no one saw that coming!!!).
says he had conversations last year with cleary beyond 13-14 season. kenny says his management philosophy is 'my word is my bond'. says he would try to fill what they discussed, when you're good people, work hard and want to be in detroit..
OMG what a load of crap.
Q: how much will the new arena help?
kenny: will help the city a lot, doesn't think it will help attract FA's, rink, coach and manager hasn't lost them FAs. it's a level playing field, everybody is in the game.
were decimated by injuries last year, cautiously optimistic that player health will make them good enough to compete with the best teams in the east.
kenny: fill out the coaching staff, close to a hiring couple of people, once the players (only dekeyser) are signed, and coaches are hired, we'll see what the next 6-7 weeks will bring.
Q: how busy have you been on trade front, trying to find RH dman?
kenny: it's pretty slow since middle of july, rosters are mostly set. we targeted 4-5 players on july 1st. likes the G. needs weiss, helm and co healthy, young players need to develop. feels good about what they have up front. we have 7 NHL dman (lol @ kindl and lashoff being NHL dman and if lashoff is one, we have 10 at least), unfortunately all shoot left. would like to add RH D. hot commodity, other teams try that too.
said they are anxious to see what sproul can do in pre-season. mentions marchenko, ouellet too.
Q: can you pin-point why didn't you land anyone july 1st? (props for dery on thinking quincey is nobody)
kenny: 'our needs were specific, RH dman who can generate points, attack and play on the pp'. not a lot of guys like that out there, so many teams going after those few guys. other than 35-goal scorer upfront, we're fine at F. last year we landed our guys (doesn't mention weiss, lol), this year we didn't. that's the new world.
mentions the importance of drafting and developing. says they will give young players opportunity (yeah, right). after they missed out on their people, no need to sign someone who they already have in system and is cheaper and younger.
Q: did any of the big UFA not come here cus the coach has only 1 yr left on his deal?
kenny: .... no (chuckles). other teams have that situation too. 30 teams in the league. everybody was in the game this year (not true btw). says that if some say that players don't want to sign 6-7 year deal bc the coach has 1 yr left, they are just making stuff up. lots of reasons why players don't sign in some place, might be money, term, GF/wife, geography.
Q: what about dan cleary, was there made a promise back last year to bring him back this year, too?
kenny: ..... cleary had number of 3 yr contract offers, chose not to sign them. kenny says he talked to the leadership group of the team, the coach all wanted him back. (kenny also mentions how well he played in playoffs what i don't get at all) one of the few vocal people in locker room, doesn't have a letter, but in the eyes of his teammates he is not far off having one.
unfortunately cleary had tough year, mostly due to injury (i wonder how no one saw that coming!!!).
says he had conversations last year with cleary beyond 13-14 season. kenny says his management philosophy is 'my word is my bond'. says he would try to fill what they discussed, when you're good people, work hard and want to be in detroit..
OMG what a load of crap.
Q: how much will the new arena help?
kenny: will help the city a lot, doesn't think it will help attract FA's, rink, coach and manager hasn't lost them FAs. it's a level playing field, everybody is in the game.
were decimated by injuries last year, cautiously optimistic that player health will make them good enough to compete with the best teams in the east.
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Good interview. Sounds like Ryan Sproul is #1 in terms of the defensive prospects chances of making the team.
If this team is at all healthy they are gonna win a lot of games. I like the direction they are moving.
if you think jaybo is a true #1 dman who can put up consistent 40 plus pt seasons your kidding yourself
if you realize he is a great #2 dman who can safely and effectively play 25 plus mins a night in all three zones during any part of the game, skate and move the puck incredibly well and put up 30ish pts then you will be beyond pleased.
we needed him
we missed on getting him
we will miss not having him or equivalent every second of every day untill such time as we find a guy like him
if you realize he is a great #2 dman who can safely and effectively play 25 plus mins a night in all three zones during any part of the game, skate and move the puck incredibly well and put up 30ish pts then you will be beyond pleased.
we needed him
we missed on getting him
we will miss not having him or equivalent every second of every day untill such time as we find a guy like him
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