Is Artemi Panarin second best player in the NHL ?

[SnowblindNYR]

You don't even have to accept that premise.

Panarin's advanced metrics are 10/10 and he does it while playing with Strome-Fast level linemates.

To be fair the "Strome isn't a scrub only because of Panarin" needs to die a painful death. It's an outdated take. The guy is a legit good second line player and without Panarin he'd pace 60 points instead of almost 80.

 

[majormajor]

To be fair the "Strome isn't a scrub only because of Panarin" needs to die a painful death. It's an outdated take. The guy is a legit good second line player and without Panarin he'd pace 60 points instead of almost 80.

Honestly he'll have to prove it in a full season for me to believe he can score 60 without Panarin.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Honestly he'll have to prove it in a full season for me to believe he can score 60 without Panarin.

The idea that any player can score PPG with Panarin is so silly. Fast, Kakko, Blackwell, none of these guys had anywhere close to Strome's production.

 

[Embryo]

I think the impact this guy brings to his team is only behind McDavid.

Currently this season his point per game rate is equal to Drai and behind McDavid so even production wise he qualifies as second best.

But I think what’s more important is his impact on different game situation.

He did lead the league in ES points, his OT record is ridiculous - Columbus went from the best to the worst OT team when Panarin left and he’s also one of the best shootout specialists in the league

You put it perfectly. His IMPACT on the team is astonishing, they are energized and powered by his presence, he is just a total game changer.

 

[Embryo]

hahahh!!! C'mon Kuch, show some class. Artemi smile lights up NYC.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

I mean, he's incredible and I know most don't want to say he's top 3 but he quietly just dominates and just might be. I know that seems weird in New York but he's taken that team over since getting their and they're hard as balls to play against.

 

[TriFF51]

Sucks he missed those 10 games. He'd be right there with McDavid and Draisaitl for the scoring race.

 

[Embryo]

This is from the MSG twitter, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PICTURE! lol
He looks like a fighter and winner as a kid.

 

[Bluesguru]

I think the impact this guy brings to his team is only behind McDavid.

Currently this season his point per game rate is equal to Drai and behind McDavid so even production wise he qualifies as second best.

But I think what’s more important is his impact on different game situation.

He did lead the league in ES points, his OT record is ridiculous - Columbus went from the best to the worst OT team when Panarin left and he’s also one of the best shootout specialists in the league

You could make a case for as of right now. But for the long run to build around, there’s other guys I’d take. But he is in a phase right now where he’s high impact.

 

[Chimpradamus]

If Rangers somehow manages to make the playoffs, Panarin should be the favorite to win the Hart right?

Absolutely. Especially when he plays as amazing as he does now.

 

[Fataldogg]

The Rangers won't make the playoffs because Putin attacked his character and he missed 9 games dealing with that, 11 in total.

If he was in the lineup for the entirety of the season, very good chance he has 60-65 points [trailing McDavid by just a handful] and the Rangers are in a playoff spot.

I think when you look at what he has brought to the table as a Ranger, you can make an argument that he is the 2nd best forward in the NHL. He is certainly living up to the contract he signed [which is refreshing for a change as a Ranger fan].

In the very least, if the Rangers make the playoffs he will be a slam dunk as a Hart finalist. Even if they miss it and come close, I think he will finish top-5 in Hart voting.

I think it was posted here earlier [I have no idea what page], but what is the Rangers record when Panarin scores a point, and what is the Rangers record when he is scoreless?

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

As a fan of a team across the continent, whenever I tune in for a Rangers game or watch highlights I am blown away by Panarin. I don't think people appreciate the fact that he is able to create something out of nothing, regardless of his linemates.

Whether Strome is a decent player or not, the point is that he was wandering in the wilderness for years before finding his game beside Panarin. That's not a coincidence. Good players make their linemates better. GREAT players make their linemates better even when they are no longer playing together (because of the time and space they receive when playing with them, it allows them to build confidence and figure out what works in the NHL).

For example, does anyone think that Kunitz or Dupuis would have become the players they did if they never played beside Crosby? Not me.

If someone wants to argue that Draisaitl, Matthews, Mackinnon,Kucherov, Marchand, or even Patrick Kane is better I can hear it. It probably depends on the day, to be honest. They're all in the same tier.
Mitch Marner? f*** out of here with that nonsense.

 

[Bread4Life]

As a fan of a team across the continent, whenever I tune in for a Rangers game or watch highlights I am blown away by Panarin. I don't think people appreciate the fact that he is able to create something out of nothing, regardless of his linemates.

Whether Strome is a decent player or not, the point is that he was wandering in the wilderness for years before finding his game beside Panarin. That's not a coincidence. Good players make their linemates better. GREAT players make their linemates better even when they are no longer playing together (because of the time and space they receive when playing with them, it allows them to build confidence and figure out what works in the NHL).

For example, does anyone think that Kunitz or Dupuis would have become the players they did if they never played beside Crosby? Not me.

If someone wants to argue that Draisaitl, Matthews, Mackinnon,Kucherov, Marchand, or even Patrick Kane is better I can hear it. It probably depends on the day, to be honest. They're all in the same tier.
Mitch Marner? f*** out of here with that nonsense.

Good comment. Agree on 100%

 

[Bread4Life]

Can't stop laugh, guy is really put Marner above Breadman ahaha

 

[andrjusha]

I mean if you accept the faulty premise that PPG is the only metric to judge players on.

It is very crude, most easy to calculate, first approximation stat. It also overvalues centers vs wingers, not even talking about defenseman. Many people do not know better and use as the only comparison, eg in OV vs Crosby debates.
But if you add other arguments like eg strength of opponents and teammates, impact on a team, etc, they might not help guys like Drai as much as Artem. So there is an argument he is top 2, this thread is 13 pages. I personally think he is top 5. Usually only forwards are assumed in these types of questions. Exact placement in this top five is fluid fro me.

 

[QJL]

Honestly he'll have to prove it in a full season for me to believe he can score 60 without Panarin.

How about just watch?

Strome is a significantly better player than he was last year.

If you take away every time Panarin has shared the scoresheet with him, he’s still putting up 2nd lines numbers (21 points without Panarin). He’s been good with and without Bread.

 

[andrjusha]

As a fan of a team across the continent, whenever I tune in for a Rangers game or watch highlights I am blown away by Panarin. I don't think people appreciate the fact that he is able to create something out of nothing, regardless of his linemates.

Whether Strome is a decent player or not, the point is that he was wandering in the wilderness for years before finding his game beside Panarin. That's not a coincidence. Good players make their linemates better. GREAT players make their linemates better even when they are no longer playing together (because of the time and space they receive when playing with them, it allows them to build confidence and figure out what works in the NHL).

For example, does anyone think that Kunitz or Dupuis would have become the players they did if they never played beside Crosby? Not me.

If someone wants to argue that Draisaitl, Matthews, Mackinnon,Kucherov, Marchand, or even Patrick Kane is better I can hear it. It probably depends on the day, to be honest. They're all in the same tier.
Mitch Marner? f*** out of here with that nonsense.

Mitch Marner is a Toronto thing, totally understand why Toronto fans have him brought up,
just look at the mugs of their best players statistically on top of Toronto's hockey-reference page

Toronto Maple Leafs Franchise History | Hockey-Reference.com

Each time I see that page, I remember empathy training I get at work

 

[Kaner9]

I think no chance but then I watch a NYR game or two and I mean..... why not? Panarin is a damn beast.

 

[cyris]

It is very crude, most easy to calculate, first approximation stat. It also overvalues centers vs wingers, not even talking about defenseman. Many people do not know better and use as the only comparison, eg in OV vs Crosby debates.
But if you add other arguments like eg strength of opponents and teammates, impact on a team, etc, they might not help guys like Drai as much as Artem. So there is an argument he is top 2, this thread is 13 pages. I personally think he is top 5. Usually only forwards are assumed in these types of questions. Exact placement in this top five is fluid fro me.

If you were starting a team from scratch and could draft any player in the league for 1 season only would you still take Panarin top 5?
I’m pretty sure there are 5 guys I take before him. If he isn’t one of the top 5 you take in that scenario how is he a top 5 player?

 

[RickChartraw]

4 point game and it's just, not unexpected. guy is really good.

 

[aufheben]

Yes.

 

[aufheben]

If you were starting a team from scratch and could draft any player in the league for 1 season only would you still take Panarin top 5?
I’m pretty sure there are 5 guys I take before him. If he isn’t one of the top 5 you take in that scenario how is he a top 5 player?

For 1 season? Why wouldn’t you take Panarin?

 

[Vukotal Recall]

Best Forwards:

McDavid
Draisaitl
Kucherov
Panarin
MacKinnon
Eichel
Barkov
Kane
Crosby
Matthews


Next 10:
Barzal
Pastrnak
Rantanen
Scheifle
Pettersson
Ovechkin
Malkin
Aho
Kopitar
Marner

 

[IdontSpitOnTheIce]

It’s really hard for me to watch every player and say who’s best but I can see he is one of the best right handed winger.

 

[cyris]

For 1 season? Why wouldn’t you take Panarin?

I value other guys more.
I wouldn’t take him before McDavid or Hedman. I wouldn’t take him over centres with similar offensive production or strong 2way games like Drai, Mackinnon, Barkov, Crosby or Matthews. I go back and forth on if I would take him over an elite goalie like Vasi or Hellebuck.

In that scenario I have him in the 7-10 range. In the conversation for the best winger in the game. Probably even leading the conversation for the best winger in the game. But not in the top 5 overall.