Interesting Info: Part XXI (Jackets-related "tidbits" here)

[cbjgirl]

I will admit to not paying too much attention to it yet, but what's the deal with the expansion draft? Could the Hofmann trade be another available body for that? Guys need to be signed, but not too young (rookies) and not too old (vets with NT clauses), they can't be UFA's not under contract (like Savard will be). You need a certain blend of forwards, goalies, and d men available. Just thinking out loud here...

 

[Halberdier]

I will admit to not paying too much attention to it yet, but what's the deal with the expansion draft? Could the Hofmann trade be another available body for that? Guys need to be signed, but not too young (rookies) and not too old (vets with NT clauses), they can't be UFA's not under contract (like Savard will be). You need a certain blend of forwards, goalies, and d men available. Just thinking out loud here...

I think you cannot use Hoffman as an expansion draft bait unless you play him certain amount of games. If I got it right, contract is not enough.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I will admit to not paying too much attention to it yet, but what's the deal with the expansion draft? Could the Hofmann trade be another available body for that? Guys need to be signed, but not too young (rookies) and not too old (vets with NT clauses), they can't be UFA's not under contract (like Savard will be). You need a certain blend of forwards, goalies, and d men available. Just thinking out loud here...

I think you cannot use Hoffman as an expansion draft bait unless you play him certain amount of games. If I got it right, contract is not enough.

I don't think this has anything to do with the expansion draft. This won't be the 2000 expansion draft with a bunch of has-beens and never-will-bes. They'll be drafting NHL quality players and prospects from every team and we have plenty of players eligible to be exposed in every position. They won't need to go fishing on overage long shot prospects to fill out their roster.

 

[majormajor]

It's not that surprising, we don't have anyone who is even close to Panarin is terms of possession of the puck. That's the main the skill required in OT. Hopefully Roz and Laine can win us some games but expect plenty more OT losses. Especially against players like Kane and DeBrincat

If Roslovic can get his faceoff win rate anywhere near 50% it would be a big plus in OT. He has the skill for everything else we need there. Right now he's winning closer to 1/3 of his draws and that is a liability at 3v3.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Let's be honest, virtually everyone on this team is a liability at 3v3 right now.

 

[koteka]

Let's be honest, virtually everyone on this team is a liability at 3v3 right now.

I think an effective 3v3 is a center and wing used to playing with each other and a defenseman who has the skills to quarterback a power play and not be a defensive liability. Winning face offs is also important.

Our biggest problem is that our center / wing combinations are not used to playing with each other. Unless we go with something like Foligno and Cam. Guys that are used to each other get that 6th sense of what the other guy is going to do.

We also have a face off issue, but that is nothing new. Koivu might have been the guy to take a face off in 3 v 3 - win the face off and go to the bench or lose and play smart defense. But we don’t have him anymore.

Maybe we should start Nash, Roslovic, and Seth Jones in OT. If Nash wins the faceoff, he goes to the bench for Laine. If he loses, he stays out. Laine doesn’t waste energy playing defense. Cam and Nick can be another forward pair, as well as Tex and Bjork.

But we still have that familiarity issue among forwards.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I think an effective 3v3 is a center and wing used to playing with each other and a defenseman who has the skills to quarterback a power play and not be a defensive liability. Winning face offs is also important.

Our biggest problem is that our center / wing combinations are not used to playing with each other. Unless we go with something like Foligno and Cam. Guys that are used to each other get that 6th sense of what the other guy is going to do.

We also have a face off issue, but that is nothing new. Koivu might have been the guy to take a face off in 3 v 3 - win the face off and go to the bench or lose and play smart defense. But we don’t have him anymore.

Maybe we should start Nash, Roslovic, and Seth Jones in OT. If Nash wins the faceoff, he goes to the bench for Laine. If he loses, he stays out. Laine doesn’t waste energy playing defense. Cam and Nick can be another forward pair, as well as Tex and Bjork.

But we still have that familiarity issue among forwards.

I don't know what I hate more:

The concept of a guy being on the ice to try and win a faceoff and then immediately leaving the ice when it is in reality a 50/50 shot he actually wins it or the fact that we suck so damned much at faceoffs we actually resort to this concept.

 

[majormajor]

Let's be honest, virtually everyone on this team is a liability at 3v3 right now.

I actually really want to see Roslovic at 3v3. I don't think we've seen that yet. We'd have to win a faceoff first.

I don't know what I hate more:

The concept of a guy being on the ice to try and win a faceoff and then immediately leaving the ice when it is in reality a 50/50 shot he actually wins it or the fact that we suck so damned much at faceoffs we actually resort to this concept.

It makes sense to me to start with a faceoff and defensive specialist on the draw, just because the outcomes are two completely scenarios in 3v3.

You lose the draw you are liable to not have the puck for a full shift so there's no point in having a purely offensive guy out there.
You win the draw and you can maintain possession while quickly getting your offensive guys out there.

 

[majormajor]

I think an effective 3v3 is a center and wing used to playing with each other and a defenseman who has the skills to quarterback a power play and not be a defensive liability. Winning face offs is also important.

Our biggest problem is that our center / wing combinations are not used to playing with each other. Unless we go with something like Foligno and Cam. Guys that are used to each other get that 6th sense of what the other guy is going to do.

We also have a face off issue, but that is nothing new. Koivu might have been the guy to take a face off in 3 v 3 - win the face off and go to the bench or lose and play smart defense. But we don’t have him anymore.

Maybe we should start Nash, Roslovic, and Seth Jones in OT. If Nash wins the faceoff, he goes to the bench for Laine. If he loses, he stays out. Laine doesn’t waste energy playing defense. Cam and Nick can be another forward pair, as well as Tex and Bjork.

But we still have that familiarity issue among forwards.

Have we concluded that Domi is hopeless at 3v3? He has the wheels for it but he didn't seem to understand the play when we last saw him out there at 3v3. It's like he doesn't have the attention span to hold the puck long enough.

By the way Jenner is really our only faceoff specialist, usually around 55%. Riley Nash is bad at it.

 

[AndBoomGoesTheCannon]

I actually really want to see Roslovic at 3v3. I don't think we've seen that yet. We'd have to win a faceoff first.

+1 for Roslovic on 3 on 3

 

[KJ Dangler]

I don't know what I hate more:

The concept of a guy being on the ice to try and win a faceoff and then immediately leaving the ice when it is in reality a 50/50 shot he actually wins it or the fact that we suck so damned much at faceoffs we actually resort to this concept.

Domi is 50% on the season . With our center options , him trying to adapt to a new system , he shouldn’t have been given up on so early . Since Laine was traded here , Cam got his offense together , powerplay is at least competent now , they should give him more of a shot . His recent interview , it becomes clear as day the line blender plus learning a new system for a coach that has little tolerance , he’s thinking way to much instead of playing

 

[koteka]

Have we concluded that Domi is hopeless at 3v3? He has the wheels for it but he didn't seem to understand the play when we last saw him out there at 3v3. It's like he doesn't have the attention span to hold the puck long enough.

By the way Jenner is really our only faceoff specialist, usually around 55%. Riley Nash is bad at it.

I think we have to find the faceoff percentage against other team’s 1c more than overall faceoff percentage when talking about 3v3.

I haven’t written off Domi. I think you need 3 pairs of forwards. Roslovic is centering Laine, keep them together in 3v3. There is no way I am putting Stenlund in on 3v3. I went Nick and Cam for familiarity. To me that leaves Bjork and somebody. Tex? Domi? Nash? Boone?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Did Nathan Horton write this question

 

[Viqsi]

Did Nathan Horton write this question

Jack Hanna.

 

[EspenK]

25 of last 32 games are against teams not named Detroit or Nashville. 23 if you add Chicago. Not encouraging.

 

[Monk]

25 of last 32 games are against teams not named Detroit or Nashville. 23 if you add Chicago. Not encouraging.

Good!

 

[EspenK]

25 of last 32 games are against teams not named Detroit or Nashville. 23 if you add Chicago. Not encouraging.

Good!

Best part of that is all theg ames are at home.

 

[NotWendell]

25 of last 32 games are against teams not named Detroit or Nashville. 23 if you add Chicago. Not encouraging.

Well, we can never do things the easy way.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Games left against:

Chicago-2
Nashville-2
Carolina-5
Dallas-5
Detroit-5
Florida-6
Tampa-6

 

[majormajor]

Games left against:

Chicago-2
Nashville-2
Carolina-5
Dallas-5
Detroit-5
Florida-6
Tampa-6

	Games Left	PPG vs	Extrapolated Remaining Points
Chicago	2	1	2
Nashville	2	.33	0.67
Carolina	5	.67	3.33
Dallas	5	1.33	6.67
Detroit	5	1.67	8.33
Florida	6	1.5	9
Tampa	6	1.5	9

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

This is just a crude extrapolation of our record. I'm taking our points per game vs each team so far and stretching it through the rest of the year. It adds up to 39 pts, and 64 total points on the season. No it doesn't really mean anything, though perhaps it means that who we have to play next doesn't really mean anything.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

	Games Left	PPG vs	Extrapolated Remaining Points
Chicago	2	1	2
Nashville	2	.33	0.67
Carolina	5	.67	3.33
Dallas	5	1.33	6.67
Detroit	5	1.67	8.33
Florida	6	1.5	9
Tampa	6	1.5	9

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

This is just a crude extrapolation of our record. I'm taking our points per game vs each team so far and stretching it through the rest of the year. It adds up to 39 pts, and 64 total points on the season. No it doesn't really mean anything, though perhaps it means that who we have to play next doesn't really mean anything.

I always appreciate the efforts of those who will go the extra mile with data/numbers, because it helps the conversation. But in this case, I think this last part is spot on. Simply extrapolating past numbers doesn't get this team anywhere we'd all like for it to go.

We're going to have to do better against pretty much everyone.

 

[ViD]

We need to seriously hope Chicago’s hot streak comes to an end or Kane decides to skip a few games

 

[koteka]

Tampa is better than us.
Carolina is better than us.

Detroit is worse than us.
Nashville is worse than us, but they always beat us.

I see us battling with Florida, Chicago, and Dallas.

Dallas is a struggling, and they have to play a lot of games. Sometimes teams fall back after a good season. That might be the case with Dallas. They also are missing Seguin and Bishop.

Florida is on a great run. Can they keep it up?

Chicago has some great pieces. That rookie goalie has looked legit. What happens when people figure him out?

The Blue Jackets are Bettman .500 and still in contention for a playoff spot, but you would never know that reading these boards. A team with a lot of new pieces and no real preseason is 4 points behind Chicago. I think we can catch them. Especially if people figure out Kevin Lankinen’s tendencies. Which, unfortunately for him, might be easier for teams to do when they play Chicago 8 times this year.

Completely off topic - are there many Finns named Kevin?

Anyway, I think we finish 4th or 5th. So we’ll hang on to Savard and other pieces that we otherwise might have traded at the deadline. And we’ll end up with a draft pick in the teens.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

 

[CBJWerenski8]