Speculation: If Landy DOES Sign

[returnofthemack29]

MacK has been wearing the A for years now, so isn’t he already a part of the leadership core?

Not really, since Landy is the elder statesmen, I’m sure he just defers to him.

We won’t see the real MacK as a leader until Landy is gone à la Duchene.

 

[The Abusement Park]

MacK has been wearing the A for years now, so isn’t he already a part of the leadership core?

His disappearing acts don’t count.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

I'm not sure that's a fair criticism. You could make Mark Messier or anyone else captain of most of those teams, and they were gonna crash and burn eventually. They haven't been that good up until the last couple years.

I don't know if you caught it, but Saad was extremely complimentary about Landy as captain during the playoffs.

Saad's not a naive youngster either, he's been around plenty of great leaders in his time. He knows what makes a good captain.

Saad knows what's up with his comments about needing to play to win instead of pouting.

That's leadership calling out bad behaviour. Even in your stars.

 

[Foppa2118]

Saad knows what's up with his comments about needing to play to win instead of pouting.

That's leadership calling out bad behaviour. Even in your stars.

Yeah I think Nate's probably heard that a couple times from teammates. Not everyone, because not everyone is in a position to criticize one of the best players in the world, but I bet Landy and Saad have probably had a heart to heart about it.

I think Nate knows it too, it's just easy for him to get emotional if he doesn't make an effort to keep it in check. Probably a constant battle. That emotion drives him to dominating hockey at times though too, so it's hard to say he should completely shut it off.

 

[returnofthemack29]

Yeah I think Nate's probably heard that a couple times from teammates. Not everyone, because not everyone is in a position to criticize one of the best players in the world, but I bet Landy and Saad have probably had a heart to heart about it.

I think Nate knows it too, it's just easy for him to get emotional if he doesn't make an effort to keep it in check. Probably a constant battle. That emotion drives him to dominating hockey at times though too, so it's hard to say he should completely shut it off.

I’m sure it would help MacK if one of his line mates, the Captain of his team no less, would get his head out of his ass and actually do something to contribute positively during the biggest games of the season instead of constantly f***ing up!

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

I’m sure it would help MacK if one of his line mates, the Captain of his team no less, would get his head out of his ass and actually do something to contribute positively during the biggest games of the season instead of constantly f***ing up!

Your vendetta against Landy is out of control. Maybe Landy would have been better (using your twisted logic) if Mack didn't disappear in the Vegas series too?

 

[The Abusement Park]

Your vendetta against Landy is out of control. Maybe Landy would have been better (using your twisted logic) if Mack didn't disappear in the Vegas series too?

In Mack’s defense he only no showed for half the series lol.

 

[returnofthemack29]

Your vendetta against Landy is out of control. Maybe Landy would have been better (using your twisted logic) if Mack didn't disappear in the Vegas series too?

One, MacK isn’t the Captain. Two, the points weren’t there, but MacK performed much better than Landy did and didn’t make the egregious mistakes that Landy did. Three, why was Landy -7 in the last 4 games against Vegas, while MacK and Rantanen were both -3 during that same timespan?

I don’t have a vendetta against Landy, I just simply don’t believe that Landy is as good/valuable as some of you are making him out to be. Everybody knows that Landy’s contract will be an albatross down the road and I don’t want to see the Avs be handcuffed to it.

Clearly, Sakic doesn’t believe he’s that valuable either, or he’d be locked up by now. At this point, Landy is a luxury and not a core piece, if we have him great, if not we’re still fine.

 

[Pokecheque]

One, MacK isn’t the Captain. Two, the points weren’t there, but MacK performed much better than Landy did and didn’t make the egregious mistakes that Landy did. Three, why was Landy -7 in the last 4 games against Vegas, while MacK and Rantanen were both -3 during that same timespan?

I don’t have a vendetta against Landy, I just simply don’t believe that Landy is as good/valuable as some of you are making him out to be. Everybody knows that Landy’s contract will be an albatross down the road and I don’t want to see the Avs be handcuffed to it.

Clearly, Sakic doesn’t believe he’s that valuable either, or he’d be locked up by now. At this point, Landy is a luxury and not a core piece, if we have him great, if not we’re still fine.

MacK made some really bad errors in the Vegas series, you just didn't notice them as much because guys like Landeskog and others managed to make up for them. But MacK had some horrid defensive zone giveaways.

I've said it before, but one reason why Landy's errors were that much more glaring is that when he makes a mistake, it really stands out because there isn't much safety net behind him when he f***s up, because he IS the safety net.

Look, I'm still gonna give Sakic the benefit of the doubt here but losing Landeskog is potentially devastating. He isn't just the best two-way forward on the team, right now, he's the ONLY two-way forward on the team. The rest of the roster up front really only gets it done in one area of the ice.

 

[missionAvs]

Someone just tell me what's going to happen with Landy. I love the player but hate this situation. Are we going to lose him or not? Surely @NOTENOUGHJOSTTHINGS has some insight on the matter.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Someone just tell me what's going to happen with Landy. I love the player but hate this situation. Are we going to lose him or not? Surely @NOTENOUGHJOSTTHINGS has some insight on the matter.

I say he's either signed by Seattle Wednesday, or he re-signs with the Avs.

 

[missionAvs]

I say he's either signed by Seattle Wednesday, or he re-signs with the Avs.

Just give it to me straight Bill. What's going to happen.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Just give it to me straight Bill. What's going to happen.

LOL. I wish I knew for sure

 

[The Kingslayer]

Yeah I think Nate's probably heard that a couple times from teammates. Not everyone, because not everyone is in a position to criticize one of the best players in the world, but I bet Landy and Saad have probably had a heart to heart about it.

I think Nate knows it too, it's just easy for him to get emotional if he doesn't make an effort to keep it in check. Probably a constant battle. That emotion drives him to dominating hockey at times though too, so it's hard to say he should completely shut it off.

I dont want Nate to shut off that passion. Its part of his DNA and part of what makes him great. Sid is the ultimate emotional player especially early in his career. Sid channeled his rage and beat up on the Flyers and Caps every chance he got lol.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Someone just tell me what's going to happen with Landy. I love the player but hate this situation. Are we going to lose him or not? Surely @NOTENOUGHJOSTTHINGS has some insight on the matter.

Signs in Edmonton for 8.5 x 7

 

[Foppa2118]

I dont want Nate to shut off that passion. Its part of his DNA and part of what makes him great. Sid is the ultimate emotional player especially early in his career. Sid channeled his rage and beat up on the Flyers and Caps every chance he got lol.

Yeah I agree.

I think you should try to help these emotional players rein it in a little bit so it doesn't dominate their mindset and cause problems, and I think Nate has done that the last few years under Bednar, but I don't think you want to fully domesticate these guys too much, so to speak.

Nate just has too much of that Forsberg competitor gene in him. He hates losing. Can you imagine if they removed the emotional part of Forsberg's game? He'd have been an absolute shell of himself as a hockey player.

 

[Shinjuku Calling]

I’m sure it would help MacK if one of his line mates, the Captain of his team no less, would get his head out of his ass and actually do something to contribute positively during the biggest games of the season instead of constantly f***ing up!

Correct

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Someone just tell me what's going to happen with Landy. I love the player but hate this situation. Are we going to lose him or not? Surely @NOTENOUGHJOSTTHINGS has some insight on the matter.

Do you really need Landy if you can get C depth and play Jimmothy Timmothy Compher as first line wing?

 

[The Kingslayer]

Yeah I agree.

I think you should try to help these emotional players rein it in a little bit so it doesn't dominate their mindset and cause problems, and I think Nate has done that the last few years under Bednar, but I don't think you want to fully domesticate these guys too much, so to speak.

Nate just has too much of that Forsberg competitor gene in him. He hates losing. Can you imagine if they removed the emotional part of Forsberg's game? He'd have been an absolute shell of himself as a hockey player.

True. Forsberg had more of it or atleast could do more with it than Nate can. I suppose Nate can start hitting people who pissed him off if he wanted but that's not his game. If the Avs were losing Forsberg would run around hitting people and whacking guys.

 

[Metallo]

Yeah I think Nate's probably heard that a couple times from teammates. Not everyone, because not everyone is in a position to criticize one of the best players in the world, but I bet Landy and Saad have probably had a heart to heart about it.

I think Nate knows it too, it's just easy for him to get emotional if he doesn't make an effort to keep it in check. Probably a constant battle. That emotion drives him to dominating hockey at times though too, so it's hard to say he should completely shut it off.

Nate needs to play with emotion but channeled emotion not that pouting that throws his game off.

 

[jfc64]

Signs in Edmonton for 8.5 x 7

Well, he's used to Nathan MacKinnon...

 

[Pistache]

If we finally sign Landy, do you guys think Columbus would take him and send us Forsberg?

 

[Metallo]

If we finally sign Landy, do you guys think Columbus would take him and send us Forsberg?

No because Landy will have a NTC/NMC and if he does not have one and we trade him right away that’s the best way to make sure no other UFA signs with us.

 

[RampoSanta]

Can someone remind me how the buyouts work again? For example, can the AAV be at 7.5M but have years 1-2 be at 9.5M and then years 7-8 be much less, say 3-4M. Then if a buyout is needed due to declining play in year 7, would the cap impact be much less?

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

Can someone remind me how the buyouts work again? For example, can the AAV be at 7.5M but have years 1-2 be at 9.5M and then years 7-8 be much less, say 3-4M. Then if a buyout is needed due to declining pay in year 7, would the cap impact be much less?

I don't know about buyouts, but I am pretty sure no year's caphit can be less than 50% (or 60%) of the max-caphit of a contract. So if the max was 9.5M then no other year can be any less than 4.75M.

Something like that.