If Iginla is dealt and Tanev was the main piece coming back i'd probably stab someone.
Tanev in my opinion, has an upside of #5 Defender, maybe #4. I know you will disagree.
Caron is a bigger risk but still has 2nd line upside, and could make a great 3rd line player as well.
Tanev is safer to be an NHL player but if we are rebuilding I value upside. I also like Caron's physical game, combined with youth which is something we lack.
If Iginla is dealt and Tanev was the main piece coming back i'd probably stab someone.
I think Tanev will be a #4 defenseman and I think Brodie will be a #3, their games complement each other so well it would be a great pairing for along time. Caron is physical but he is exactly like Nemisz a player that if everything goes right may be a top 6 player but most likely ends up being a 3rd liner or 4th liner, if we are rebuilding the 23 year old already #5 defenseman with the ability to become better is worth a lot more than Nemisz 2.0.
I am fine with you not liking the proposal just think you several underrate the Canucks prospects (imo Jensen > Kassian). Again if we are looking for a physical top 6 scorer that is Jensen which is why I value him so highly.
Caron has already produced at the NHL level as a young player, Nemisz is about the same age and cant even produce at the AHL level.
Not comparable in my opinion, Nemisz is more or less a bust in my opinion.
This makes me sad to even be called a Flames fan, grow up... He has given everything and received nothing. He deserves a shot to win, I don't care who it's with, but no matter who he gets traded to, I'll be cheering my ass off for him, glad that he's getting his shot to live out his dream. Sure it's too bad he couldn't do it here, but how selfish can you possibly be. If Vancouver is his best shot, so be it, for one playoff run I can alter my allegiances.
That's why you are just an average flames fan. Real Flames fans don't want to see IGGY the best flame ever on edmonton or vancouver that would be a stab in the back to the city. And do you really think edmonton or van is his best option for a cup? edmonton is god awful and van is a bunch of bandaids. there window is closing FAST! boston and pitt have much better shots at a cup.
Neither Boston nor Pitts need Iggy the return would be much worse, also calling someone not a real fan is so ******** its not even funny, its like me saying you don't post as often so you don't care as much so I guess your not a real fan.
I'm not going to regard the rest of your post because it's not aimed at me, but Pittsburgh has an opening on the RW for Iginla, and Boston's GM has a huge hard-on for Iggy and would easily make space for him on their roster. The returns would be good regardless.
Yes but both are already top teams and neither have problems scoring they aren't that desperate for rental in Iginla. I think the best we get from either team is 1st + solid prospect I think teams like Rangers, Van, SJ will be more desperate.
Not sure that NY would want to shell out assets for Iginla since they JUST did that with Nash. Who knows though.
Of course I'd rather he not go to Vancouver on principle.
San Jose, mehhh... they're over the hill IMO. They're prospect pool is pretty weak, can't imagine they would want to give up picks or players for Iginla.
Other teams that come to mind would be... St. Louis? Chicago? Philadelphia?
That's why you are just an average flames fan. Real Flames fans don't want to see IGGY the best flame ever on edmonton or vancouver that would be a stab in the back to the city. And do you really think edmonton or van is his best option for a cup? edmonton is god awful and van is a bunch of bandaids. there window is closing FAST! boston and pitt have much better shots at a cup.
Jensen + Tanev + 1st(probably still not enough for you guys to do it)
That's a lot for a rental. Maybe if Iginla still had at least 1 more year on his contract.
+1.
I don't care what team Iginla goes to, as long as it is the team that offers the best return and isn't Edmonton or Vancouver.
I have always seen iginla ending up it Pittsburgh. The return I'd want back from them for iginla would be Tyler Kennedy + one of their blue chip D prospects (morrow,maata,pouliot) + a conditional first on a cup win or iggy resigns
Penguins fans severely overhype their players. If you asked them a month before the trade of Tangradi they probably would have told you he was worth a 2nd round pick.Kennedy + 1st + Maatta seems to be the norm for Pens offers on this board.
Penguins fans severely overhype their players. If you asked them a month before the trade of Tangradi they probably would have told you he was worth a 2nd round pick.
I also think a 1st + Maatta is a poor deal for the Flames, its not as good as than Kaberle returned.
I think this "trading in the division" thing is blown out of proportion. Iginla is a UFA, the Flames don't care (or shouldn't care) where he plays, they will want the best return regardless of where he goes. It's different with a player with years on his contract, but for a UFA divisions & conferences don't mean much.Kennedy is simply a cap dump essentially. Maata is an excellent defenseman who could arguably step in to our lineup right now. I'd take this deal, assuming nobody else outbid it.
As for the Kaberle deal, it was a better return, but he was also going into the same division. It would be no different from Vancouver really needing to overpay to get Iggy.