Speculation: If Bowman is Fired, who replaces him?

[Drumman44]

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Lol holy shit that’s gold

 

[ColbyChaos]

do you honestly believe SJ never had a team that could win a cup under Wilson...they were one of the top teams in the west for years

San Jose was a strong team from 2006-2019 they missed the playoffs once in that span and had 4 WCF appearences and a cup finals appearance. Easily could have won a cup from 2006-2014 without anyone thinking it was a fluke either. Thornton and Marleau were monsters back then

 

[Giovi]

San Jose was a strong team from 2006-2019 they missed the playoffs once in that span and had 4 WCF appearences and a cup finals appearance. Easily could have won a cup from 2006-2014 without anyone thinking it was a fluke either. Thornton and Marleau were monsters back then

Very nice to use Wilsons' record, exempting the last few seasons, to show what a good GM he is today. Can we do the same with Bowman?

 

[ColbyChaos]

Very nice to use Wilsons' record, exempting the last few seasons, to show what a good GM he is today. Can we do the same with Bowman?

Clown response. All teams become bad eventually. WTF was Wilson supposed to do stop Thornton, Marleau, Burns, and Vlassic from aging? There is only so much a gm could do.

Inb4 you reply with "he should have drafted player X and they stay good" or some other pedantic crap. He went all in for 2019 to give his core a final serious kick at the can (and came close to winning) there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Giovi]

Clown response. All teams become bad eventually. WTF was Wilson supposed to do stop Thornton, Marleau, Burns, and Vlassic from aging? There is only so much a gm could do.

Inb4 you reply with "he should have drafted player X and they stay good" or some other pedantic crap. He went all in for 2019 to give his core a final serious kick at the can (and came close to winning) there is nothing wrong with that.

I fully understand he went all in, and everyone knows the NHL is usually cyclical for teams' success.

But there's pretty much nothing being said about Wilson here that can't be said about Bowman as well. The big difference is obvious. One of them has 3 cup rings, the other has none. So I'm really having problems seeing how Wilson is an upgrade to Bowman.

 

[Kaners PPGs]

Gorton seems like the obvious pick.

Glad I had to scroll back through only 1 page to find this. I would have said Hextall before he got snatched up by Pittsburgh. Gorton is the choice.

 

[Pez68]

I fully understand he went all in, and everyone knows the NHL is usually cyclical for teams' success.

But there's pretty much nothing being said about Wilson here that can't be said about Bowman as well. The big difference is obvious. One of them has 3 cup rings, the other has none. So I'm really having problems seeing how Wilson is an upgrade to Bowman.

He's not. He's put his team in a worse position, cap wise. He failed to build a strong enough supporting cast around his core players to win a cup. He has made just as many terrible trades and decisions, if not more. San Jose is pretty much SCREWED for the next four seasons, with the contracts he handed out.

It's nothing more than the grass is always greener. And maybe some nostalgia for a former Blackhawks legend.

 

[ClydeLee]

Doug Wilson would be bad unless he comes in not clinging to his constant buying in philosophy. It doesn't work when giu deplete the cheap elc or cheap 2nd deal 1st and 2nd round talent you need.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Clown response. All teams become bad eventually. WTF was Wilson supposed to do stop Thornton, Marleau, Burns, and Vlassic from aging? There is only so much a gm could do.

Inb4 you reply with "he should have drafted player X and they stay good" or some other pedantic crap. He went all in for 2019 to give his core a final serious kick at the can (and came close to winning) there is nothing wrong with that.

this

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

All teams become bad eventually but the Sharks have a lot of really painful contracts.

The Hawks got kinda lucky that Hossa and Seabrook couldn't play anymore.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

All teams become bad eventually but the Sharks have a lot of really painful contracts.

The Hawks got kinda lucky that Hossa and Seabrook couldn't play anymore.

there are two kinds of bad contract situations...there is the sign your world class players in their primes and deal with the consquences later and then theres the ken holland/lou lam specials where they sign depth players like abdelkader, eriksson, helm, clowe, clarkson etc to huge deals that end up terrible...need to differentiate between these two scenarios, they're not the same at all

 

[Pez68]

there are two kinds of bad contract situations...there is the sign your world class players in their primes and deal with the consquences later and then theres the ken holland/lou lam specials where they sign depth players like abdelkader, eriksson, helm, clowe, clarkson etc to huge deals that end up terrible...need to differentiate between these two scenarios, they're not the same at all

Which of the contracts Wilson gave out were to a world class player, in his prime?

Couture was 30 when he signed him to an eight year deal.
Burns was 32 when he signed him to an eight year deal.
Karlsson was 29 when he signed him to an eight year deal.
Vlasic was 30 when he signed him to....an eight year deal.

People love to talk about Bowman and the contracts he handed out. Saying he shouldn't have given Toews and Kane what he gave them. He shouldn't have signed Seabrook. But Wilson's signings are f***ing BRUTAL.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Which of the contracts Wilson gave out were to a world class player, in his prime?

Couture was 30 when he signed him to an eight year deal.
Burns was 32 when he signed him to an eight year deal.
Karlsson was 29 when he signed him to an eight year deal.
Vlasic was 30 when he signed him to....an eight year deal.

People love to talk about Bowman and the contracts he handed out. Saying he shouldn't have given Toews and Kane what he gave them. He shouldn't have signed Seabrook. But Wilson's signings are f***ing BRUTAL.

not sure you're making as strong of an argument as you think you're making if you put burns on that list, or even couture and karlsson for that matter...they gave couture his deal when he was putting up 60-70 pt years, karlsson was almost a ppg defenseman for them his first two seasons...burns should just not even be on that list entirely, he signed his deal in 2016

 

[Pez68]

not sure you're making as strong of an argument as you think you're making if you put burns on that list, or even couture and karlsson for that matter...they gave couture his deal when he was putting up 60-70 pt years, karlsson was almost a ppg defenseman for them his first two seasons...burns should just not even be on that list entirely, he signed his deal in 2016

The point is, those contracts aren't to guys in their prime. Maybe 2-3 seasons out of 8, will those players be in their prime. Giving out 8 year deals to guys in their thirties is f***ing stupid.

Every single one of those contracts is a Seabrook contract.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

The point is, those contracts aren't to guys in their prime. Maybe 2-3 seasons out of 8, will those players be in their prime. Giving out 8 year deals to guys in their thirties is f***ing stupid.

when you're a year or two removed from a cup final appearance and still putting together good seasons you dont blow it up, you have absolutely zero clue what ownership wanted to do, stan tried to stretch the window and here we are 5 years in with zero real playoff appearances but no problem, rebuilding btw

 

[Pez68]

when you're a year or two removed and still putting together good seasons you dont blow it up, you have absolutely zero clue what ownership wanted to do

I think it's hilarious that the arguments you use against Bowman don't apply to Wilson. This argument is f***ing absurd.

Doug Wilson signed....four Seabrook deals. Every single one of those players appears to be on the decline, and they have between 4-6 seasons left on their deals.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I think it's hilarious that the arguments you use against Bowman don't apply to Wilson. This argument is f***ing absurd.

Doug Wilson signed....four Seabrook deals.

seabrook failed to be an nhl player 2 or 3 years into his new deal...what are you even on about, guy isnt even in the league with 4 more years left on his deal, theyre not even comparable...go find me where doug wilson turned artemi panarin, teuvo teravainen and philip danault into nikita zadorov, dale weiss, tomas fleischman and 2 picks that have turned into nothing...he made one bad trade and it was the EK deal, who was arguably one of best defenseman in league at the time

 

[Pez68]

seabrook failed to be an nhl player 2 or 3 years into his new deal...what are you even on about, guy isnt even in the league with 4 more years left on his deal, theyre not even comparable

People have also criticized the Toews and Kane signings.

 

[Pez68]

when you're a year or two removed from a cup final appearance and still putting together good seasons you dont blow it up, you have absolutely zero clue what ownership wanted to do, stan tried to stretch the window and here we are 5 years in with zero real playoff appearances but no problem, rebuilding btw

So let me get this straight. Bowman should have blown it up in 2016, a year after winning a cup. But Wilson gets a pass for trying to stretch their window out, without winning shit, and signing a bunch of aging players to 8 year contracts that will significantly hinder their ability to be competitive until off the books?

Got it.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

at this point just want bowman gone, if its gorton then great, anybody but bowman at this point if hes about to be all in on a seth jones or dougie and try to move future assets to speed up "rebuild"

 

[Pez68]

at this point just want bowman gone, if its gorton then great, anybody but bowman at this point if hes about to be all in on a seth jones or dougie and try to move future assets to speed up "rebuild"

I agree with your bolded. Jones is going to be WAY too expensive for the Hawks to even consider it. If it's a Hamilton signing, I won't be happy with it, but it won't cost any future assets. And the Hawks have a ton of cap flexibility in a couple seasons.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I agree with your bolded. Jones is going to be WAY too expensive for the Hawks to even consider it. If it's a Hamilton signing, I won't be happy with it, but it won't cost any future assets. And the Hawks have a ton of cap flexibility in a couple seasons.

my biggest problem with bowman is lack of commitment to a real rebuild, its old dealing with this every other summer

 

[Pez68]

my biggest problem with bowman is lack of commitment to a real rebuild, its old dealing with this every other summer

McDonough was never going to agree to a rebuild. I'm not sure how the Hawks aren't in a "real" rebuild, right now. Nothing they have done recently says otherwise. The Seth Jones stuff is just a rumor, as of now.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

McDonough was never going to agree to a rebuild. I'm not sure how the Hawks aren't in a "real" rebuild, right now. Nothing they have done recently says otherwise. The Seth Jones stuff is just a rumor, as of now.

Saad trade wasn't exactly a rebuild move, they could've asked for some picks and prospects, but more importantly the lack of commitment to developing Beaudin and Mitchell last year, they invested a lot of draft capital and development time into them, and obv all the talk that they're all in on Seth Jones and/or Dougie Hamilton and will move futures to do it and commit significant cap dollars in either case...its just hard to look at the state of the team and think they should be adding 27-28 year old defensemen that will require 7+ year contracts at 8-9m aav when this team is so far away from being a contender...you're kind of right though that Bowman has mostly made rebuild type moves lately, skeptical what he has in mind this summer

 

[Pez68]

Saad trade wasn't exactly a rebuild move, they could've asked for some picks and prospects, but more importantly the lack of commitment to developing Beaudin and Mitchell last year, they invested a lot of draft capital and development time into them, and obv all the talk that they're all in on Seth Jones and/or Dougie Hamilton and will move futures to do it and commit significant cap dollars in either case...its just hard to look at the state of the team and think they should be adding 27-28 year old defensemen that will require 7+ year contracts at 8-9m aav when this team is so far away from being a contender...you're kind of right though that Bowman has mostly made rebuild type moves lately, skeptical what he has in mind this summer

They got a younger player for Saad, and they obviously did it because they wanted some size/physicality on defense.

I don't understand the bolded at all. How are they not committed to developing Beaudin and Mitchell??