Speculation: Ian Mitchell

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Just don't sign players to monster contracts.

Seabrook was 8 years at $6,875,000 per year. If that were 8 years at $4,500,000 we wouldn't be complaining about it all the time.

The current cap hit would even be fine if it were at 6 years instead.

Just don't be irresponsible when handing out contracts.

Pietrangelo is going to get an irresponsible contract. It is what it is. He's getting 7 years at least. Idk what the caphit will be because of the cap implications of COVID 19 but in a normal offseason I'd put him in the 8.5-10M range over 7 or 8 years.

The Hawks weren't getting Seabrook back for anything less than 8x6.5 so don't kid yourself. If the Hawks didn't pay him that, someone else would have, and probably for a higher AAV.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Pietrangelo is going to get an irresponsible contract. It is what it is. He's getting 7 years at least. Idk what the caphit will be because of the cap implications of COVID 19 but in a normal offseason I'd put him in the 8.5-10M range over 7 or 8 years.

The Hawks weren't getting Seabrook back for anything less than 8x6.5 so don't kid yourself. If the Hawks didn't pay him that, someone else would have, and probably for a higher AAV.

Seabrook didn't deserve anything more than Keith's 5.5M. If he wanted more, Hawks should've let him go. As simple as that.

 

[Drumman44]

Seabrook didn't deserve anything more than Keith's 5.5M. If he wanted more, Hawks should've let him go. As simple as that.

I wonder what they could have gotten for him at the 2015 draft.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I wonder what they could have gotten for him at the 2015 draft.

I remember making the argument to take a step back immediately after the 3rd cup to maximize the remainder of 19/88's career. I would have traded both Seabrook and Hjalmarsson in June or July 2015. The defense would have sucked arse for a couple years, and they would have been a lotto team in 2016 and 2017, but maybe they hit the jackpot and get one of the good players from those drafts. Imagine if they took the step back and ended up with a couple players like Matt Tkachuk and Heiskanen/Makar.
Then, you still have both Panarin and Saad.

 

[Drumman44]

I remember making the argument to take a step back immediately after the 3rd cup to maximize the remainder of 19/88's career. I would have traded both Seabrook and Hjalmarsson in June or July 2015. The defense would have sucked arse for a couple years, and they would have been a lotto team in 2016 and 2017, but maybe they hit the jackpot and get one of the good players from those drafts.

Hindsight is 20/20. I think the Org was betting that they could still be competitive. Selling off 4 / 7 / 10 / 20 for futures (instead of immediate help) would have been seen as a betrayal by the fanbase

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Hindsight is 20/20. I think the Org was betting that they could still be competitive. Selling off 4 / 7 / 10 / 20 for futures (instead of immediate help) would have been seen as a betrayal by the fanbase

You didn't have to sell off Saad. You keep him around. It would have been only 4/7/10. I also think they knew how good Panarin is. The D was going to take a hit, but they could have spent that money elsewhere.

I think the huge thing that they weren't counting on was Hossa retiring. I don't think even the Hawks knew how bad his issues with the Gunk were. If they would have known, I think Panarin would still be here.

 

[Mrfenn92]

It was always the length of seabrooks contract I never understood. That part was really inexcusable on the front office end.

 

[ClydeLee]

Seabrook didn't deserve anything more than Keith's 5.5M. If he wanted more, Hawks should've let him go. As simple as that.

Well, that is an odd way to go about things since he was already making 5.8M seems people ignore that constantly. This current deal is awful but it was only a 1.075m raise.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Well, that is an odd way to go about things since he was already making 5.8M seems people ignore that constantly. This
current deal is awful but it was only a 1.075m raise.

The cap hit didn't bother me, I think the length was universally panned by almost every fan.

 

[bwana63]

Well, that is an odd way to go about things since he was already making 5.8M seems people ignore that constantly. This current deal is awful but it was only a 1.075m raise.

Yeah, it's the term that's the killer.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Zawaski compared Boqvist to Campbell and Mitchell to Oduya on his podcast.

Anybody agree with those comps?

 

[BK]

Zawaski compared Boqvist to Campbell and Mitchell to Oduya on his podcast.

Anybody agree with those comps?

I do not.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Well, that is an odd way to go about things since he was already making 5.8M seems people ignore that constantly. This current deal is awful but it was only a 1.075m raise.

You're right, I forgot about that. Good point. As I said though, his current cap hit would have been tolerable at 6 years instead of 8.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I do not.

Whats more accurate?

 

[BK]

Whats more accurate?

Are we talking ceiling or what?

 

[Kevin Musto]

Zawaski compared Boqvist to Campbell and Mitchell to Oduya on his podcast.

Anybody agree with those comps?

I can kind of see where he's coming from with the Campbell comp for Boqvist, even though there are far more accurate comps out there.

Oduya to Mitchell is really bizarre though. I dunno what Zawaski is smoking lol

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Are we talking ceiling or what?

I think he was saying if they hit in the next year or two to make this team contenders again. It was kind of confusing, but I don’t think he was talking full ceiling as much as he was talking more immediate potential.

 

[clydesdale line]

Zawaski compared Boqvist to Campbell and Mitchell to Oduya on his podcast.

Anybody agree with those comps?

Eh.. I can somewhat see the Soupy comparison for Boqvist as offensive defensemen (not to mention Soupy mentored Boqvist in London), but I personally like Boqvist upside alot more. Boqvist doesn't have Soupy's skating ability though.

And Mitchell definitely has more offensive upside than Oduya and I'd argue will be better defensively as well down the road.

 

[BK]

Eh.. I can somewhat see the Soupy comparison for Boqvist as offensive defensemen (not to mention Soupy mentored Boqvist in London), but I personally like Boqvist upside alot more. Boqvist doesn't have Soupy's skating ability though.

And Mitchell definitely has more offensive upside than Oduya and I'd argue will be better defensively as well down the road.

If Boqvist hits his ceiling he will be a Karlsson like player. His shot and vision are just elite. I want to see him continue to start being more aggressive and control the ice. He needs to be the QB on the ice. We saw what he can be later in the season. His D was also more developed that I expected during the season (I am as high as anyone on him).

Mitchell is a hard one because his skills remind me so much of Keith but Mitchell hitting his ceiling will come down to the "fight" in his game. Mitchell has all of the physical abilities to be elite. Keith is a pitbull and if Mitchell can be that he will be crazy good. Mitchell is why the Hawks moved Joker (I think Mitchell will be better that Joker by a solid margin).

 

[clydesdale line]

If Boqvist hits his ceiling he will be a Karlsson like player. His shot and vision are just elite.

Completely agree. You, myself and @Boqvy wan Kenobi are probably the highest on Boqvist here.

 

[MileHighHawksFan]

All excited about Mitchell and then the week's story on Chiclets was Perunovich signing to the Blues and will be a Makar Neidermayer type. Fuuuuuuuuu

Grinell always overhypes prospects. Plus theyre buddies with the blues and what not so he was more stroking off their fanbase than anything. Sounds like Torey Krug is that guys potential.

 

[featherhawk]

The easiest comp for Boqvist is Karlsson for sure and I think that if Boqvist hits his ceiling he can most certainly reach Karlsson's production levels but I don't know if Boqvist will be as productive as Karlsson has been, meaning how many years he hits high numbers. What I will say is that thus far Boqvist seems to be on a quicker learning curve on the defensive side of things than Karlsson was.

Another comparable guy that I watched alot of over the past few years is John Klingberg, same style for sure, Klingbergs numbers have not been consistent but that was due to injuries, they are very similar in how they can control the play from the back end and are great PP qb's. Dallas PP is much better when Klingberg is the qb.

Mitchell is tougher to find a comparable IMO but here is what I have. I get the Keith comps to some degree including Ian's assessment that he models his game after Keith; although I am not sure that Mitchell's ceiling is Keith high but it could be especially is he is as gifted as Keith is related to physical conditioning. My more accurate comparison for Ian Mitchell is Brian Rafalski, who IMO was really underrated in his shortened career due to family commitments. Smooth skating D who is actually a solid Man.

I think Mitchell could certainly reach a higher ceiling than Rafalski but he was no slouch and he packed it in and retired quite early

1999-00	26	NJD	NHL	75	5	27	32	21	28	4	1	0	1	21	6	0	128	3.9		1414	18:51								Calder-11
2000-01	27	NJD	NHL	78	9	43	52	36	26	3	6	0	1	27	16	0	142	6.3		1691	21:41								AS-9,Byng-42,Norris-9
2001-02	28	NJD	NHL	76	7	40	47	15	18	5	2	0	4	23	17	0	125	5.6		1682	22:08								AS-9
2002-03	29	NJD	NHL	79	3	37	40	18	14	1	2	0	0	23	14	0	178	1.7		1829	23:09								Byng-9
2003-04	30	NJD	NHL	69	6	30	36	6	24	4	2	0	1	13	16	1	130	4.6		1573	22:48								Byng-32
2005-06	32	NJD	NHL	82	6	43	49	0	36	3	3	0	2	18	24	1	126	4.8		2093	25:32								Norris-11
2006-07	33	NJD	NHL	82	8	47	55	4	34	4	3	1	4	20	27	0	148	5.4		2090	25:29								AS-15,Byng-43,Norris-14
2007-08	34	DET	NHL	73	13	42	55	27	34	3	10	0	1	21	21	0	175	7.4	354	1757	24:04	0	0		70	38	27	52	AS-9,Norris-9
2008-09	35	DET	NHL	78	10	49	59	17	20	5	5	0	1	26	23	0	141	7.1	300	1808	23:10	0	0		64	31	17	51	AS-8,Byng-8,Norris-9
2009-10	36	DET	NHL	78	8	34	42	23	26	3	5	0	1	20	14	0	134	6.0	308	1890	24:14	0	0		101	39	23	71	AS-12,Byng-17,Norris-12
2010-11	37	DET	NHL	63	4	44	48	11	22	4	0	0	0	27	17	0	106	3.8	218	1287	20:25	0	0		54	49	12	57

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Mitchell also states that he models himself after Tyson Barrie, I don't really see that comp though, Barrie sucks on the D end.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Stupid site BS.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

The easiest comp for Boqvist is Karlsson for sure and I think that if Boqvist hits his ceiling he can most certainly reach Karlsson's production levels but I don't know if Boqvist will be as productive as Karlsson has been, meaning how many years he hits high numbers. What I will say is that thus far Boqvist seems to be on a quicker learning curve on the defensive side of things than Karlsson was.

Another comparable guy that I watched alot of over the past few years is John Klingberg, same style for sure, Klingbergs numbers have not been consistent but that was due to injuries, they are very similar in how they can control the play from the back end and are great PP qb's. Dallas PP is much better when Klingberg is the qb.

Mitchell is tougher to find a comparable IMO but here is what I have. I get the Keith comps to some degree including Ian's assessment that he models his game after Keith; although I am not sure that Mitchell's ceiling is Keith high but it could be especially is he is as gifted as Keith is related to physical conditioning. My more accurate comparison for Ian Mitchell is Brian Rafalski, who IMO was really underrated in his shortened career due to family commitments. Smooth skating D who is actually a solid Man.

I think Mitchell could certainly reach a higher ceiling than Rafalski but he was no slouch and he packed it in and retired quite early

1999-00	26	NJD	NHL	75	5	27	32	21	28	4	1	0	1	21	6	0	128	3.9		1414	18:51								Calder-11
2000-01	27	NJD	NHL	78	9	43	52	36	26	3	6	0	1	27	16	0	142	6.3		1691	21:41								AS-9,Byng-42,Norris-9
2001-02	28	NJD	NHL	76	7	40	47	15	18	5	2	0	4	23	17	0	125	5.6		1682	22:08								AS-9
2002-03	29	NJD	NHL	79	3	37	40	18	14	1	2	0	0	23	14	0	178	1.7		1829	23:09								Byng-9
2003-04	30	NJD	NHL	69	6	30	36	6	24	4	2	0	1	13	16	1	130	4.6		1573	22:48								Byng-32
2005-06	32	NJD	NHL	82	6	43	49	0	36	3	3	0	2	18	24	1	126	4.8		2093	25:32								Norris-11
2006-07	33	NJD	NHL	82	8	47	55	4	34	4	3	1	4	20	27	0	148	5.4		2090	25:29								AS-15,Byng-43,Norris-14
2007-08	34	DET	NHL	73	13	42	55	27	34	3	10	0	1	21	21	0	175	7.4	354	1757	24:04	0	0		70	38	27	52	AS-9,Norris-9
2008-09	35	DET	NHL	78	10	49	59	17	20	5	5	0	1	26	23	0	141	7.1	300	1808	23:10	0	0		64	31	17	51	AS-8,Byng-8,Norris-9
2009-10	36	DET	NHL	78	8	34	42	23	26	3	5	0	1	20	14	0	134	6.0	308	1890	24:14	0	0		101	39	23	71	AS-12,Byng-17,Norris-12
2010-11	37	DET	NHL	63	4	44	48	11	22	4	0	0	0	27	17	0	106	3.8	218	1287	20:25	0	0		54	49	12	57

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Mitchell also states that he models himself after Tyson Barrie, I don't really see that comp though, Barrie sucks on the D end.

I think Boqvist is a good bet to be at least Klingberg, if not Karlsson.

I think Rafalski is a good comp for Mitchell, but I'd like to look at some other D that might be similar to Mitchell. Another couple off the top of my head are Kimmo Timonen and Lubomir Visnovsky.

Timonen: Kimmo Timonen Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Visnovsky: Lubomir Visnovsky Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[featherhawk]

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