Thunderstruck said:
How does the owners having less money to offer the PA help the PA?
Who said they have less money to offer than the last offer last week ? Because they said so ? It's part of the process. One side wish to go 1 way & the other side think the other way will lead them to something not so bad. That's why we have a lockout don't you think ?
Thunderstruck said:
If the business becomes a 1B dollar industry and the owners totally cave and give the PA $700M, they still are $500 M worse off, each and every year.
It's all speculation but tell me something , the last 2 years of the actual CBA, no matter how many losses they had, they control salary on a free market. I'm not saying it should be the same CBA because I'M NOT THINKING THAT. But I just can't believe we say to the GM's & Owners ''So okay you did it wrong for 10 years, we forgive you, from now on we will fight in order it won't be possible for you to make mistakes''.
Thunderstruck said:
How does the league or even some of the owners losing their franchise help the PA?
It won't help the PA & that's why I said on another thread that it should be written in the next CBA that the NHL guarantee to not contract any teams.
Right now the last offer, no matter what so many think, never ''GUARANTEE'' to still have 30 teams in 3-4 years even if the PA agree to the owners offer. So the PA should just sign because Bettman said on a conference without any details ''We will provide revenue sharing to make sure every team will pay the players''. It never say anything about make the franchise viable.
The CAP thing is only a structure to control salaries but it didn't gives stability to the weaker franchise & BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE PA IS CARING ABOUT HOW THE RICH TEAM SUDDENLY GOING FROM 20 to 60M$ OF PROFIT WITH A CAP NEED TO HELP THE SMALL.
Right now as of today, the owners side is all about word & NOTHING ABOUT SUBSTANCE when it's all about revenue sharing.
Thunderstruck said:
Where else can they find an offer of $42.5 M per team?
If 10 franchises fold, that is 250 PA members who aren't employed by the highest paying league in the world.
Are you smart enough to ask yourself what the NHL has done to make sure Carolina ? Nashville ? & some other teams will survive with a 42.5M$ cap when they couldn't go under 30M$ before ?
I don't want you to answer me about that but please take a look at it just for criticism & pure debate for yourself. I'm not pro-pa & everything I write on this thread seems so, why ? I'm just playing devil's advocate, I just want to make people just share both view. Not suddenly becoming a pro-something but just to get an idea that the owners are not what they are & the players even with a lot of blame too are not the SUPER EVIL you get on a marvel comic book.
Thunderstruck said:
Yes there are. Unfortunately for you, only one side makes any sense.
I never said that. Everytime I speak for something to share a PA , all the pro-owners got to say are the same rhetoric over & over said by the CBANEWS.com
The PA got a blame in this also, I said it a LOT of times & still say it but that doesn't they need to be SQUASH, CRUSH because the owners & 80% of the fans who don't have a clue except ''PLEASE SAVE MY SMALL MARKET TEAM'' about this negociation.
Do I have a specific clue ? no, I'm not an insider but being on a union & on a negotiation table once makes me see both side of how it is possible we're still here on february 23rd talking about this.
I'm not pointing you but can't you see sometime that so many pro-owner argument are just bashing & trying to discredit the other poster ? like NO ONE from Philly, NewYork, Colorado, Detroit SHOULD SPEAK about this because they're gonna get crushed by any pro-owners poster even if there's some validity & interesting point in what he said. The only thing the other poster will say is ''You're a Rangers/Leafs/Fleyrs/Av's/Wings fan aren't you ?''
Hell even BOSTON now feels like a SMALL MARKET , can you believe it ? Yes this GREAT CITY where the OWNERS is so cheap that he prefers HUGE PROFIT over making his fans believe they can compete & right now it's all the players fault & not Mr.Jacobs.
Just ironic if you ask me.