Proposal: How do we rebuild?

[DKH]

Maybe that’s what Boston is hoping for in Senyshyn. Kyle Connor and Brock Boeser, for example, are like that...

It’s interesting how it all works

They draft Zboril 13 and Carlo 37 and Carlo looks like a stud

They take McAvoy over Fabro

Same draft they take Frederic (who I like a lot) over Debrincat

Vancouver grabs Boeser but looks like they wiff on a top 6 pick D the year before

The Flyers grab Morin a huge D out of the Q at 11 overall but an undrafted D they invited to DC they sign who looks like a stud

54% of first round picks play 246 games but amazingly only 22% of second rounders

Definitely not science

 

[BruinDust]

Yah I’m thinking Pastrnak & Marchand are elite and DeBrusk on way

I know Pastrnak has been downgraded to AHL on twitter and the occasional message board post but he turned 23 last week and already has multiple 35 goal seasons

Put me down for atleast a half dozen more 35+ goal seasons

I’m also thinking he evolves into a more complete player Ang this run will make him better

Marchand I get is the whipping boy today but he’s going to go for 450-500 goals and 1000 points while being top 5-10 all time penalty killers. He was up there in playoff points 24 hours ago

DeBrusk is 22 was up and down and still pocketed 27 goals - he was outstanding in game 6 win

Big big disagreement here

Backes is gone but other than Bergeron soon to be 34, Krejci 33, and Marchand 31 there next 12-15 forwards on the depth chart are
Ages 19-28

Old?

Two guys - Bergeron & Krejci

Everyone else is peak (Marchand) or should get better

Pastrnak 23
DeBrusk 22
Coyle 27
Heinen 24
Johansson 28*
Kuraly 26
Wagner 28
Bjork 22 (shocked only 22)
Nordstrom 27
Kuhlman 23
Frederic 20
Studnicka 19
Senyshyn 22

Window ?

Bergeron & Krejci that’s really it

Marchand, Pasta, and Debrusk are all quality goal-scorers, all different types of goal-scorers. Pasta is great at one-timers and deking out goalies, but his wrister isn't overpowering (it's still pretty good) but he doesn't use it enough IMO.

Debrusk gets his goals in tight and by driving hard to the net. I was amazed at that one-timer he blew past Binnington in Game 5, where has that been all year? M

archand has been the type of guy I'm looking for in the past, I don't know what it is but he's become far too pass-happy, maybe that's a by-product playing with Pasta and Bergeron whose a shot-first player too.

Truth is there are very few guys who fit the mold of the type of goal-scoring winger I'm looking for. A absolute pure shooter, think Joe Sakic, Paul Kariya. Guys who were all about precision, placement and deceptive release. A guy who can see that small opening and can put it there when he doesn't have much space to work. For me it's about adding a different element to what they already have. In general their goal-scoring is just fine. I have no idea how they find a guy like I want.

 

[BruinDust]

Maybe that’s what Boston is hoping for in Senyshyn. Kyle Connor and Brock Boeser, for example, are like that...

Maybe, I haven't seen enough of him to be honest. Donato I thought could be a guy like that, but I'd still make that Coyle for Donato deal all day long.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Marchand, Pasta, and Debrusk are all quality goal-scorers, all different types of goal-scorers. Pasta is great at one-timers and deking out goalies, but his wrister isn't overpowering (it's still pretty good) but he doesn't use it enough IMO.

Debrusk gets his goals in tight and by driving hard to the net. I was amazed at that one-timer he blew past Binnington in Game 5, where has that been all year? M

archand has been the type of guy I'm looking for in the past, I don't know what it is but he's become far too pass-happy, maybe that's a by-product playing with Pasta and Bergeron whose a shot-first player too.

Truth is there are very few guys who fit the mold of the type of goal-scoring winger I'm looking for. A absolute pure shooter, think Joe Sakic, Paul Kariya. Guys who were all about precision, placement and deceptive release. A guy who can see that small opening and can put it there when he doesn't have much space to work. For me it's about adding a different element to what they already have. In general their goal-scoring is just fine. I have no idea how they find a guy like I want.

The closest goal scorer that could snipe like that was traded in 2013.

I don’t think there’s anyone like that in free agency. Maybe Senyshyn or Studnicka can turn some heads next season. I would be ok with trying one of those guys with Krejci or Bergeron if Johansson is resigned.

 

[BruinDust]

The closest goal scorer that could snipe like that was traded in 2013.

I don’t think there’s anyone like that in free agency. Maybe Senyshyn or Studnicka can turn some heads next season. I would be ok with trying one of those guys with Krejci or Bergeron if Johansson is resigned.

Yup, for me it's been an issue ever since. Marchand was there for a bit. Extremely hard thing to find guys like that. I don't see anyone in the system like that, but my viewings of whats in the system is minimal.

 

[Pia8988]

How many times can they chase this elusive net front player for Krejci only to have it not work out? Way too many resources have been spent trying to find this guy and it simply doesn't matter. Mojo. Nash. Backes. Beleskey. Hayes. Mortgaging the following season for one year of Iginla. At what point do they stop throwing good money after bad?

The honest truth is that DK had one of his most productive seasons in his career this year, without the big bodied player you speak of.

Maybe it's time to go in another direction and get another guy that forces DK to move his feet instead of finding another stationary guy that doesn't. Just a thought.

He needs at least a 2nd guy who can make a play with the puck on his stick. That's not DeBrusk, and it certainly isn't Backes. He should have gotten Johanssan, but another case of a winger going to another center that would fit with him. How long did it take Claude to give him Loui and look what happened.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Yup, for me it's been an issue ever since. Marchand was there for a bit. Extremely hard thing to find guys like that. I don't see anyone in the system like that, but my viewings of whats in the system is minimal.

I don’t think we need an elite sniper like Seguin or Sakic. I’m not sure I’d classify Horton as an elite sniper, wasn’t he more of a volume shooter? Just give me someone that can put up 25-30 goals playing with Krejci and Debrusk, that’s all I ask. If Johansson is back on the third line I think that gives them the opportunity to try a kid in the top 6 and reassess at the deadline.

 

[Mainehockey33]

He needs at least a 2nd guy who can make a play with the puck on his stick. That's not DeBrusk, and it certainly isn't Backes. He should have gotten Johanssan, but another case of a winger going to another center that would fit with him. How long did it take Claude to give him Loui and look what happened.

Wasn’t it an entire season before Claude put Eriksson with Krejci? I remember being frustrated with that.

It’s no coincidence that when Krejci has quality wingers, the team benefits. Chiarelli figured this out in 2010. It’s Sweeney’s turn.

 

[BruinDust]

I don’t think we need an elite sniper like Seguin or Sakic. I’m not sure I’d classify Horton as an elite sniper, wasn’t he more of a volume shooter? Just give me someone that can put up 25-30 goals playing with Krejci and Debrusk, that’s all I ask. If Johansson is back on the third line I think that gives them the opportunity to try a kid in the top 6 and reassess at the deadline.

I'm not even all that worried about goal-totals, I just want that high-shooting % shooter. Might be a guy you don't notice much and isn't all that great defensively, but just needs one decent chance to snipe it past a goalie within 15-20 feet of the net when the goalie is only showing a marginal bit of net.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I'm not even all that worried about goal-totals, I just want that high-shooting % shooter. Might be a guy you don't notice much and isn't all that great defensively, but just needs one decent chance to snipe it past a goalie within 15-20 feet of the net when the goalie is only showing a marginal bit of net.

A volume shooter that’s gritty enough to play in front of the net, carry the puck, and make plays. Not sure who’s available, but I’d be willing to part with a very good offensive defenseman to get this type of player.

 

[BruinDust]

A volume shooter that’s gritty enough to play in front of the net, carry the puck, and make plays. Not sure who’s available, but I’d be willing to part with a very good offensive defenseman to get this type of player.

What good is another volume shooter? They out-shot the Blues 73 to 41 combined in Games 5 and 7 (not to mention the piles of shots put into the skates and shin-pads of the Blues defenders). And scored just two goals. Volume isn't an issue for this team, precision is.

 

[Mainehockey33]

What good is another volume shooter? They out-shot the Blues 73 to 41 combined in Games 5 and 7 (not to mention the piles of shots put into the skates and shin-pads of the Blues defenders). And scored just two goals. Volume isn't an issue for this team, precision is.

It would be better than what was on the second line RW for the entire playoffs. I want another Horton.

 

[BruinDust]

It would be better than what was on the second line RW for the entire playoffs. I want another Horton.

I agree they need to upgrade that spot. I'd gladly take another Horton. I'll take a quality volume shooter if that all they can get, but I'd love a pure sniper who can score 5 on 5, create his own look and isn't reliant on east-west one-timers which are all about velocity and not accuracy.

 

[Pia8988]

Wasn’t it an entire season before Claude put Eriksson with Krejci? I remember being frustrated with that.

It’s no coincidence that when Krejci has quality wingers, the team benefits. Chiarelli figured this out in 2010. It’s Sweeney’s turn.

Two.

 

[DaStinger]

Rebuild is a silly idea. My idea for the offseason is to find a 2nd line winger. Let Mojo go. Try and trade Backes, move at least one defensemen, either in a package or seperate.

 

[Marcobruin]

Realistically this team isn't going to the finals for a very long time .
I'd like to see a major signing
Or acquire a young elite forward. If not .blow it up
Trade Rask(to those Rask lovers
No offense but it's the highest value we are going get)
Love Krejci but may be time to go.
I prefer Chara wasn't coming back
Make sure Backes never comes back
Get rid of Heinen
Hopefully this was an exceptionally dismal playoffs for Jake but if he does this again
Get rid of him. Had he scored to his capabilities...we win cup
Everyone is used to the first line dominating everytime but it doesn't work like that.

 

[bbfan419]

In an ideal world this is what I would like, first they have to get rid of Backes, try to trade him, but not giving up top picks or our best prospects to get rid of him, I would add a couple prospects from the likes of Zboril, Senyshen, Koko, JFK, Cehlarik and I would throw in the UFA Acciari as well, maybe some team looking to get to the cap floor would take Backes, Acciari and 2 of those prospects for a pick in the 5th to 7th rounds? If no takers, then place him on waivers, if still no takers, then tell him he is done playing and offer him a role off the ice and LTIR him the rest of the way.

Krejci I would trade as well and he does hold value, had a very solid season and could help a team looking for a top 6 C, I think we could even get a late first round pick or maybe 2 solid second round picks for him, freeing up all this cap with Backes and Krejci gone, you could re-sign Carol, McAvoy and Mojo.

Krug love the guy , but he easily gets a first rounder for us, which I would do now and not want to pay $7m + for this guy the year after next.

All the cap space suddenly and not only can we sign our own guys, but then I look at signing some UFAs like Matt Duchene to replace Krejci, you could also try to add Cernak on D and Michael Ferland to add some size and snarl to the forward group.

One other deal I would try to get done is trading for Josh Anderson, a deal that in part involves Heinen going the other way with whatever else not sure.

If we could do all that , well that would be a dream off-season, the chance of it happening slim for sure, but this would be a awesome!

 

[Marcobruin]

Rebuild is a silly idea. My idea for the offseason is to find a 2nd line winger. Let Mojo go. Try and trade Backes, move at least one defensemen, either in a package or seperate.

Why would Rebuild be a silly idea?
This was a freak playoff season
That's the only reason they went to the cup finals
And the reason the Blues won the cup
As it stands Bos is not on the rise and they are not a team of the near future.

 

[BruinDust]

Why would Rebuild be a silly idea?
This was a freak playoff season
That's the only reason they went to the cup finals
And the reason the Blues won the cup
As it stands Bos is not on the rise and they are not a team of the near future.

Because this team is well-positioned to qualify for the playoffs next season again, and all you need to do in today's league is get to the dance. After that, you need a whole bunch of things to go your way, but it's anyone's cup now among the 16 teams who qualify each year. The gap between the 1st place team and the 16th simply isn't that big.

This season wasn't really an anomaly. In 2018 we saw a Caps team who jettisoned several very good players yet still got further than that loaded 2017 President's trophy squad. Meanwhile they met a freakin' expansion team in the finals. The Bruins just lost a Game 7 to a team that was dead last at the beginning of January.

Just get to the dance. And this Bruins team should and will get to the dance again next year.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Why would Rebuild be a silly idea?
This was a freak playoff season
That's the only reason they went to the cup finals
And the reason the Blues won the cup
As it stands Bos is not on the rise and they are not a team of the near future.

So the difference between a complete rebuild or staying contenders to you is the outcome of one game? That’s ridiculous.

 

[Jaguar God]

Now that I've had time to digest the loss....can the mods change the title? A lot of what was posted yesterday was fueled by emotion.

This team is solid. Just needs some tweaks. Still think that if they don't win next year and/or if they blow it again in the finals that drastic changes need to happen.

 

[maswe12]

I’m very worried about the prospect of losing Johansson. I wasn’t a fan of using October and November last year hoping for a kid to take over 2 top 9 wing spots.

I don’t want that to be the plan again.

Johansson makes me nervous with a longer term contract. I would worry about him staying healthy. While I really liked his playmaking, he didn't seem that great at finishing his scoring chances. Im happy to wait and see what the market is.

 

[Alicat]

Johansson makes me nervous with a longer term contract. I would worry about him staying healthy. While I really liked his playmaking, he didn't seem that great at finishing his scoring chances. Im happy to wait and see what the market is.

JoJo has never had a long term deal anywhere, max was 3 years and he's never made over 4.25 mil.

Up until Marchand concussed him and Ferland crunched him with a clean hit, he's been relatively healthy.

@Dom - OHL has said he believes his team and the B's have probably had early discussions (my apologies if I got this wrong Dom) about re-signing him.

I honestly think he likes it here and I don't think he's going to be asking for anything crazy.

I hope Sweeney at least tries to re-sign him. He and Coyle look fantastic together.

 

[whatsbruin]

The rebuild is nuts

They got a 42 year old D then 7-10 guys 28 years old and under on D

Four of them 21-25 played significant minutes in this run

FORWARDS

Bergeron 34 & Krejci 33 next season coming off strong seasons

Marchand coming off 121 point regular season playoff total

After that my next 15 forwards who should see time in Boston are 19-28

Bergy and DK did have strong regular seasons, but not so great playoffs.
In my opinion, too much of the offense revolves around these two aging pieces.
I like Bergy for the long term more than DK. Not sure of DK contract status, but I really think they need to
get a younger, #1 or 2 center.

Hate to move Krug, but I think him, DK, some lesser pieces moved to improve the offense. The PP will suffer with
out Krug, but next year I think Mc, Gryz, Carlo, Clifton all improve their O numbers so it takes the sting off.

 

[remer]

Bruins need a bigger and tougher 2nd line center. They also need some size on the backend.
Trade targets Krejci Gryz, and Clifton. Somehow they need to move out Backes.