How can McDavid pass Malkin all time?

[MXD]

That scenario could happen in soooooo many different ways, I don't even know where to start.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

-Ill change it to 4. Doesnt matter, the Oilers arent winning anything.

You should just stop trying at this point. It’s starting to get embarrassing.

You can’t change it to four because McDavid has played three seasons. This isn’t rocket science to why you’d use first three seasons.

 

[PenguinSpeed]

You should just stop trying at this point. It’s starting to get embarrassing.

You can’t change it to four because McDavid has played three seasons. This isn’t rocket science to why you’d use first three seasons.

-Change it to 3. I dont care. Crosby led his team to the Cup Finals in year 3 and had a 120 point season at 1.52 points per game. Three achievements far better then Mcdavid.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

-Change it to 3. I dont care. Crosby led his team to the Cup Finals in year 3 and had a 120 point season at 1.52 points per game. Three achievements far better then Mcdavid.

Please look at the Powerplay totals for those seasons compared to now.

You're welcome, i just saved you some time.

 

[DearDiary]

More talent to play with than any other star? What are you talking about? Plenty of those draft years were some of the weakest lottery years in recent memory. Guys like RNH and Yakupov had no other real challengers for 1st overall not really sure what we could have done differently there.

Also, there's this other team that sucked ass for 5 years in a row until they became relevant:

Pittsburgh drafted in the following order: 5th - Ryan Whitney / 1st - MAF / 2nd - Malkin / 1st - Crosby / 2nd - Staal
--> Sorry we weren't lucky enough to get 2 generational talents and a borderline HOF goalie

Talent as in playing with Draisaitl, neither of the other 2 benefited from an elite linemate.

Also, the Fluery 1st overall was traded for, it had nothing to do with luck.

 

[syz]

Continue to breathe.

 

[Romang67]

-Change it to 3. I dont care. Crosby led his team to the Cup Finals in year 3 and had a 120 point season at 1.52 points per game. Three achievements far better then Mcdavid.

I count 2. Or are you actually differentiating between points per game in a full season and points in a full season? That's like saying that McDavid not only has two Art Ross trophies already, but also led the league in scoring twice already.

 

[PenguinSpeed]

Please look at the Powerplay totals for those seasons compared to now.

You're welcome, i just saved you some time.

-Irrelevant. This past season was the 3rd highest scoring season overall dating all the way back to 1996 with the rule changes. The league average was 2.97 goals per game, thats approaching Lemieux territory in his prime in the 90s with league scoring that high. People want to talk crap about the 90s and you cant even sneeze on a player in this current no contact league let alone grab him and hold him like the clutch and grab era and the refs swallowed their whistle.

 

[PenguinSpeed]

I count 2. Or are you actually differentiating between points per game in a full season and points in a full season? That's like saying that McDavid not only has two Art Ross trophies already, but also led the league in scoring twice already.

-Total points and points per game are 2 completely different metrics.

 

[Romang67]

-Total points and points per game are 2 completely different metrics.

Oh boy.

No. Total points is literally the points per game multiplied by the number of games the player played.

Also worth noting that McDavid has led the league in points per game and in points the last two seasons. Shockingly, this isn't uncommon.

This may be because points per game is literally just a player's point totals divided by the number of games the player played. So putting up the highest point totals significantly improves your chances of having the highest P/G. Because of course it does!

 

[Paperbagofglory]

-Irrelevant. This past season was the 3rd highest scoring season overall dating all the way back to 1996 with the rule changes. The league average was 2.97 goals per game, thats approaching Lemieux territory in his prime in the 90s with league scoring that high. People want to talk crap about the 90s and you cant even sneeze on a player in this current no contact league let alone grab him and hold him like the clutch and grab era and the refs swallowed their whistle.

Look at Mcdavid's even strength totals this year, compare it to the next best player. Now compare the Oilers pp total's this season compared to the next team with the lowest amount, then look at the team that had the highest total. Next you will want to compare it to Crosby's 120 point season, look at his even strength points and PP points. Now think if the totals were as high now as they were back then. Mcdavid only had 12 less points than the very best year of Crosby despite the terrible special teams and low amount of advantages. You can figure out the averages if you use math and have a brain.

How is that not important? I would hope you are just a troll and not this obtuse. Seriously, a 12 point difference between clutch and grab, and and open powerplay fest and you use the 120 point advantage as gospel that Crosby was so much better. I think you unintentionally destroyed your own argument with ignorance.

 

[PenguinSpeed]

Oh boy.

No. Total points is literally the points per game multiplied by the number of games the player played.

Also worth noting that McDavid has led the league in points per game and in points the last two seasons. Shockingly, this isn't uncommon.

This may be because points per game is literally just a player's point totals divided by the number of games the player played. So putting up the highest point totals significantly improves your chances of having the highest P/G. Because of course it does!

-He won by .01 in points per game over Nathan Mackinnon. Do you realize how small that is? In 1993 Lemieux won the Art Ross with a 160 points and played 24 less games then Pat Lafontaine. Mcdavid won the Art Ross with next to zero separation. Points and Points Per game are totally different. Lemieux led the league in points with 160. Lafontaine had 148. Actually looks like a really close Art Ross race, until you realize Lemieux played 24 less games and absolutely destroyed the field that year in points per game

 

[Coffey]

-He won by .01 in points per game over Nathan Mackinnon. Do you realize how small that is? In 1993 Lemieux won the Art Ross with a 160 points and played 24 less games then Pat Lafontaine. Mcdavid won the Art Ross with next to zero separation. Points and Points Per game are totally different. Lemieux led the league in points with 160. Lafontaine had 148. Actually looks like a really close Art Ross race, until you realize Lemieux played 24 less games and absolutely destroyed the field that year in points per game

Who has more of an impact? Someone with a higher PPG? Or someone with a higher point total?

 

[PenguinSpeed]

Who has more of an impact? Someone with a higher PPG? Or someone with a higher point total?

-Points per game. Easily.

 

[6 Karlsson 5]

This. Malkin is a great player, no doubt, but injuries and inconsistency have made for quite an up and down career. I think people on this site tend to often rate him by his peak when he hasn't always been that guy.

From an individual awards standpoint, McDavid is close to matching Malkin after just 3 years. I think it would be quite the disappointment for McDavid if he doesn't eventually surpass him.

he is just that guy who averages 97 per 82 over 700 plus games. The problem is he doesn't play enough games. It has nothing to do with his ability when on the ice.

 

[Romang67]

-He won by .01 in points per game over Nathan Mackinnon. Do you realize how small that is? In 1993 Lemieux won the Art Ross with a 160 points and played 24 less games then Pat Lafontaine. Mcdavid won the Art Ross with next to zero separation. Points and Points Per game are totally different. Lemieux led the league in points with 160. Lafontaine had 148. Actually looks like a really close Art Ross race, until you realize Lemieux played 24 less games and absolutely destroyed the field that year in points per game

I'm not sure what confuses me more. The fact that you don't seem to understand how close the relationship between points and points per game is, your continued insistence on bringing up Lemieux in a discussion that has nothing to do with Lemieux, or how you want it to appear that winning the Art Ross by a margin of 6 points is "next to zero separation".

Actually, I should rephrase that. It doesn't confuse me. It's just an outrageously poor argumentative technique, attempting to divert from the subject at hand by either feigning ignorance or actually attempting to switch topics.

Games played matters, and is a good thing. Because they allow players to get more points, which is a positive thing for the team. I sincerely hope that I don't have to explain why actual points scored instead of just pace is a good thing.

Either way, McDavid led the league in points per game and in points the last two seasons, and won the Art Ross both years. So if you want to count Crosby's league leading P/G and his league leading total points as two accomplishments, then logically you'll do the same thing for McDavid.

 

[Skolman]

Shouldn't the question be about Crosby, and not Malkin?

 

[Paperbagofglory]

Shouldn't the question be about Crosby, and not Malkin?

He has to leap frog the lesser of the two first.

 

[Coffey]

-Points per game. Easily.

How do you view that? Player A would have an impact on more games.

a - 1.15 ppg, 80pts over 70 games.
b - 1.05 ppg,86pts over 82 games.

 

[Skolman]

He has to leap frog the lesser of the two first.

Does he have to leapfrog Toews as well before we start talking about Crosby?

 

[PenguinSpeed]

How do you view that? Player A would have an impact on more games.

a - 1.15 ppg, 80pts over 70 games.
b - 1.05 ppg,86pts over 82 games.

-No kidding. Which is why I said points per game is a more valuable stat over total points.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Keep his current level of play and win championships

 

[Paperbagofglory]

Does he have to leapfrog Toews as well before we start talking about Crosby?

Crosby has to leap Toews first. Hes going to be a sure first first ballot intangible hall of famer.

 

[Coffey]

-No kidding. Which is why I said points per game is a more valuable stat over total points.

I meant to say player B.
How can you be more impactful if you play less games?

 

[Captain Controversy]

-Change it to 3. I dont care. Crosby led his team to the Cup Finals in year 3 and had a 120 point season at 1.52 points per game. Three achievements far better then Mcdavid.

Yes it was an amazing feat.
The only thing I would argue is scoring was higher. Mcdavid will put up more than 120 points in his best year.
I would bet Signed Mcdavid Rookie Card.