Rumor: Hornqvist to Florida for Matheson

[Gurglesons]

Yeah, I think I made that comment earlier in the thread, Matheson is an absolutely perfect player for Gonchar to work with, but alas Gonchar isn't here anymore.

I think Matheson looks a lot like Niskanen when he came over from Dallas. Rierden was the guy who made Niskanen into a top pairing D so much so that he followed him to WAS.

 

[Ogrezilla]

We need an offensive defenceman badly because we have to replace... *checks notes* the offensive dynamo Schultz and his 12 points. Makes sense.

we needed an offensive d-man already because Schultz stopped being one.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If it wasn't Hornqvist being dealt, it was Rust. And I'll keep Rust 11 times out of 10 in that scenario.

Yeah this is a good point. I feel like accomplishing what they wanted to do was likely an "either/or" situation and I damn sure know which one I prefer.

Also in regards to the powerplay... the refrain is honestly getting a little old. Sure Hornqvist does his job very well on the powerplay. But that same poweplay has hardly looked cohesive the last couple of seasons and most importantly... there are plenty of other teams that run a smooth powerplay without the services of Hornqvist. Maybe an attempt to re-think what they are doing there is actually for the best.

 

[66-30-33]

Have you learned how much alcohol helps yet?

Not enough alcohol in the world for me. Last time I drank I woke up laying in my own puke in the bathroom, time before walking down the middle of a highway at 1AM after being released from hospital.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If Pettersson's an offensive black hole, he's an offensive black hole who's shown he can put up points like Mike Matheson.

And we're counting on Pettersson to babysit JJ...playing on his wrong side?

None of this sits right.

All roads lead back to Johnson being the fly in the ointment.

Get rid of him and suddenly you can start to assemble a competent defense. Until then you're basically just moving pieces around to try and shelter a complete dud.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Who will replace Hornqvist?

Bjorkvist.

But at least this means theyll try something new with our power play now. As good as PH was at annoying goalies, I feel like it messed with the rest of our PP. And teams knew how to defend it too easily. This will force the Pens to switch things up.

Does anyone not agree that 5on5 hasnt been our problem? And that with our typical PP we would have gone further in the playoffs the last few years?

Guentzel - Sid
Zucker/McCann/Kap - Malkin
Letang/Matheson

This gives us more options. If one isnt getting it done, replace him with another.

Also enough talent for a very good 2nd PP.

 

[Gurglesons]

He was playing top 4 that year. I mean you can believe he was top pair but I’ve watched him his whole career.

Looks like you're right. Ekblad and Yandle over him at 5v5 over the last three years.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yes. I want to say there was another. Did someone try to make Scuderi play wing?

I'm not sure. That would be the most comical shit ever so I'm sorry I somehow forget it but it actually does sound familiar.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If Pettersson's an offensive black hole, he's an offensive black hole who's shown he can put up points like Mike Matheson.

And we're counting on Pettersson to babysit JJ...playing on his wrong side?

None of this sits right.

Nothing's going to sit right with a team that has an idiotic GM and a coach who both adore Jack Johnson and will, undoubtedly, play him nightly.

Petts-JJ is better than JJ-Schultz. It's also better than Matheson-JJ, or JJ-Matheson. It's also preferable to saddling our best all-around defenseman in Marino with JJ during a pivotal sophomore season.

If JJ's going to be here, and he is, Petts-JJ is the best of all shitty situations.

I mean, ideally I'd run with this;

Dumo-Letang
Matheson-Marino
Petts-Riikola

But JJ will dress nightly. Anyone thinking he'll be bought out, scratched, or traded is, uh, not paying attention--to put it nicely.

 

[Icarium]

Everyone could use a decent offensive defenseman, point is we were doing perfectly fine even with the ghost of Schultz and a million injuries. Then the forwards stopped playing D and suddenly the entire D looked like clowns. Exact same thing happened in 2019. Maybe, just maybe it's not a simple personnel issue?

 

[Jobeycool]

All roads lead back to Johnson being the fly in the ointment.

Get rid of him and suddenly you can start to assemble a competent defense. Until then you're basically just moving pieces around to try and shelter a complete dud.

lol..That was hilarious how you stated that

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

The first quote says he's decent at play driving. He's an above average defenseman at scoring goals and play driving, zone entries and exits. He's basically a Trevor Daley type with an insanely bloated contract and better ES metrics at his age.

Looks like the first quote says that about Hornqvist, and the data in the first quote suggests Matheson's in the 25th percentile for play driving on offense and the 18th for play driving on defense.

Zone entries and exits look good, but please tell me you remember the same thing about zone exits being said for JJ. I know this happened, I just can't find a link for the life of me and godforsaken HF search doesn't go back to 2018.

 

[SEALBound]

One thing that is still curious to me is that JR said he wanted to keep some cap space in anticipation for Marino's new contract. Everything that's been done recently points to him not doing that. Just odd.

To the Oilers: MM, Bryan Rust
The The Pens, Kris Russell and a conditional 7th round pick in 815 years

To Islanders: Dumo, Poulin, Legare, POJ
To the Pens: Matt Martin

Dude...why? Just, why? What does this add?

Who will replace Hornqvist?

Plenty of options truth be told, both internal, trade, and FA route.

Can we afford Matheson & Tanev if we sign Fast & trade Murray for Compher? JJ bought out.

No.

 

[dogthateats]

 

[ownal]

JJ is still the hair in the Penguins soup.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I mean... I'd personally rather see what another coach and FO could do with these guys but I do have to say that after two years of REALLY inglorious flameouts... what does the team expect?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Nothing's going to sit right with a team that has an idiotic GM and a coach who both adore Jack Johnson and will, undoubtedly, play him nightly.

Petts-JJ is better than JJ-Schultz. It's also better than Matheson-JJ, or JJ-Matheson. It's also preferable to saddling our best all-around defenseman in Marino with JJ during a pivotal sophomore season.

If JJ's going to be here, and he is, Petts-JJ is the best of all shitty situations.

I mean, ideally I'd run with this;

Dumo-Letang
Matheson-Marino
Petts-Riikola

But JJ will dress nightly. Anyone thinking he'll be bought out, scratched, or traded is, uh, not paying attention--to put it nicely.

If that's the configuration...Matheson-Marino and Pettersson-Johnson, our defense just got a lot more expensive without getting a lick better.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Can we afford Matheson & Tanev if we sign Fast & trade Murray for Compher? JJ bought out.

Aint ever gonna happen.

Sid's BFF.
JR has some weird fascination with wanting to prove people wrong about him, thinks everyone picks on him to much.
He wasn't scratched in the playoffs while being a - infinity and constantly f***ing up.
And everytime it's brought up JR is quick to defend the frigging guy and buried Schultz instead.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

We need an offensive defenceman badly because we have to replace... *checks notes* the offensive dynamo Schultz and his 12 points. Makes sense.

They need a defenseman to replace what Schultz used to be and what they’ve been missing since then. The guy who put up 50 points when Letang was in and out of the lineup before his season ended. 35 point pace the next season as the injuries started mounting.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

One thing that is still curious to me is that JR said he wanted to keep some cap space in anticipation for Marino's new contract. Everything that's been done recently points to him not doing that. Just odd.



Dude...why? Just, why? What does this add?



Plenty of options truth be told, both internal, trade, and FA route.



No.

One thing that is still curious to me is that JR said he wanted to keep some cap space in anticipation for Marino's new contract. Everything that's been done recently points to him not doing that. Just odd.



Dude...why? Just, why? What does this add?



Plenty of options truth be told, both internal, trade, and FA route.



No.

It's called sarcasm, but also at the same time the most JR-est of JR moves.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I'm not sure. That would be the most comical shit ever so I'm sorry I somehow forget it but it actually does sound familiar.

Turns out it might not have been the Pens, but Quenneville did it.

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[BlindWillyMcHurt]

They need a defenseman to replace what Schultz used to be and what they’ve been missing since then. The guy who put up 50 points when Letang was in and out of the lineup before his season ended. 35 point pace the next season as the injuries started mounting.

They've needed to replace what was lost with Daley for a long time.

And also Phil Kessel...

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If that's the configuration...Matheson-Marino and Pettersson-Johnson, our defense just got a lot more expensive without getting a lick better.

Neither of us know a thing about how Matheson will look alongside Marino if he plays there. Very likely not good, but there is a non-zero chance he excels.

 

[ownal]

I rather sign Gustafsson to a 4m x 4 contract. He could be a guy who puts up Schultz like numbers and is a better PP QB.

 

[Gurglesons]

Looks like the first quote says that about Hornqvist, and the data in the first quote suggests Matheson's in the 25th percentile for play driving on offense and the 18th for play driving on defense.

Zone entries and exits look good, but please tell me you remember the same thing about zone exits being said for JJ. I know this happened, I just can't find a link for the life of me and godforsaken HF search doesn't go back to 2018.

The zone entry data on JJ was much worse than Matheson.

Matheson also has regularly outproduced anything JJ ever did at ES point wise.