Confirmed with Link: Holy ****, a trade. Mason, Armia, a 2019 7th, and a 2020 4th to MTL for... Simon Bourque.

[JetsFan815]

but really, what do you want from us?
40 points on an odd Montreal team. let's put it in perspective.
i warmed up to Armia last year. but dude goes ice cold. he has a sub-par shot. and he looked pretty ungreat in the playoffs, if i recall correctly.
at his age, he likely is what he is.

let's look at some of the studs that ahead of him pointwise on the Habs:
Tartar (couldn't get much ice time with Vegas)
Lehkonen
Paul f'ing Byron
Danault

call Armia what he is: a good glue guy not worth the glue contract for most teams, and who is making the best of his situation in Montreal.
put him on most other NHL teams and he's not putting up a 40 pt season.

Jets top-5 forwards by 5 on 5 Points/60:

Tanev	1.52
Roslovic	1.42
Perreault	1.38
Scheifele	1.35
Ehers	1.29

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Joel Armia: 1.63

To boot the dude's making 1.85 million this year, it is undeniable that Armia could have helped the Jets, that might become even more apparent if there are a couple of injuries to the Jets forward corps. Additionally to say that Armia is not "worth his glue contract" is patently ridiculous.

 

[Scheifele55]

Is Simon Bourque injured? He hasn't played a game this year.

 

[mondo3]

Is Simon Bourque injured? He hasn't played a game this year.

Think he was released

 

[JetsFan815]

Is Simon Bourque injured? He hasn't played a game this year.

Contract terminated at his request. He went to play in Europe I believe

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Lemieux was fine until this last game where he channeled the energy of his father. I hope the team sends him back to the AHL for the rest of the season as a disciplinary measure.

I wouldn't say he was 'fine'. He behaved himself but he did nothing. Not just that he didn't show up on the score sheet, but he was mostly invisible even with the few minutes he was given.

Assume they will send Poolman back to the Moose. He was just insurance for the Helsinki trip. If they also send Lemieux down (as they should), Kulikov will get kind of lonely in the PB. Wish we still had Dano to keep him company.

Its time to give Petan his chance. Give him a real shot. If he still can't make it, move him.

Edit: Never mind moving him. We would be at 12 F's anyway. No one in the AHL is clearly ready yet but if they want to give some of them a chance, Petan is still our best depth at this point. Maybe time to give Apples a look. KV might be ready for another shot after he gets in a few more games.

 

[LowLefty]

Give him a real shot[/I]. If he still can't make it, move him.

Agreed - hopefully it will finally end the never ending debate on his potential

 

[Scheifele55]

Agreed - hopefully it will finally end the never ending debate on his potential

I dont think we will learn much with him playing 5-10 minutes on the 4th line.

 

[LowLefty]

I dont think we will learn much with him playing 5-10 minutes on the 4th line.

It'll have to be because we need to determine who plays on the 4th - we need to settle in

 

[sting13]

Contract terminated at his request. He went to play in Europe I believe

In the paper it was reported that he retired.

 

[Atoyot]

In the paper it was reported that he retired.

He tweeted after that came out that that was in fact incorrect.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I dont think we will learn much with him playing 5-10 minutes on the 4th line.

Depends - if the 4th line includes Perreault & Roslovic and is getting near 10 minutes a game, it should constitute a real chance. Even with Copp at C it is fair. If he can't play with Copp and Rosie against 4th line opponents we will know the answer. Not just for 2-3 games though. Keep them together for 15-20 games and see what happens.

 

[KingBogo]

So we are still crying about Armia? We will soon lose better players to stay cap compliant. Armia was the cost of cap space and it isn't cheap. To have a team trade for a player with the sole intention of taking on a buy out you have to pay. Montreal has far and away the most expensive starter in the league. To get them to take on a $4.1 injury prone backup you needed to crease the wheels and Armia was the cost to crease those wheels. Armia plain and simple went for $4.5 million in cap space. Mason's $4.1 M - Brosoitt's $650,000 = $3.45 M and Armia's $1.85 M - ELC level contract or approx equivalent + approx $1 M. Total $4.45 M of cap space. After performance bonuses we have approx $2 M to spare that may or may not be needed before now and the TD. If it wasn't Armia it was someone else and maybe some other moves. And wing is where we have the most depth.

As an aside who would trade Brossoit straight up to get Armia back? Because our upgrade at backup at league minimum is no small thing.

 

[sting13]

He tweeted after that came out that that was in fact incorrect.

OK, thanks for that.

 

[Atoyot]

I wouldn't say he was 'fine'. He behaved himself but he did nothing. Not just that he didn't show up on the score sheet, but he was mostly invisible even with the few minutes he was given.

Assume they will send Poolman back to the Moose. He was just insurance for the Helsinki trip. If they also send Lemieux down (as they should), Kulikov will get kind of lonely in the PB. Wish we still had Dano to keep him company.

Its time to give Petan his chance. Give him a real shot. If he still can't make it, move him.

Edit: Never mind moving him. We would be at 12 F's anyway. No one in the AHL is clearly ready yet but if they want to give some of them a chance, Petan is still our best depth at this point. Maybe time to give Apples a look. KV might be ready for another shot after he gets in a few more games.

Can Lemieux even be sent down right now while his hit's being reviewed?

 

[Spock]

Jets top-5 forwards by 5 on 5 Points/60:

Tanev	1.52
Roslovic	1.42
Perreault	1.38
Scheifele	1.35
Ehers	1.29

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Joel Armia: 1.63

To boot the dude's making 1.85 million this year, it is undeniable that Armia could have helped the Jets, that might become even more apparent if there are a couple of injuries to the Jets forward corps. Additionally to say that Armia is not "worth his glue contract" is patently ridiculous.

Don't forget that he's signed to a one year $1.85M "bridge" contract. You have to think: where would Armia fit in the Jets long-term plans at wing at $1.85M+ going forward? He's being given a huge opportunity right now, one that with Laine, Connor, Ehlers, Wheeler in a top 6 does not allow him to.

Further, moving Armia was the price the Jets paid to erase Mason from the payroll. That contract could have been an issue for the Jets right now, it surely would have eliminated the option to make a significant deadline acquisition this year.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Can Lemieux even be sent down right now while his hit's being reviewed?

Yes. He will still face any NHL discipline but it would not be applied until he is recalled. So if he is sent down right now he would still have to take his hearing and if suspended for say 2 games, that means next time he is recalled he couldn't play for the first two games he is recalled. If he is never recalled this year it would carry over until he made an NHL roster.

 

[JetsFan815]

Don't forget that he's signed to a one year $1.85M "bridge" contract. You have to think: where would Armia fit in the Jets long-term plans at wing at $1.85M+ going forward? He's being given a huge opportunity right now, one that with Laine, Connor, Ehlers, Wheeler in a top 6 does not allow him to.

Further, moving Armia was the price the Jets paid to erase Mason from the payroll. That contract could have been an issue for the Jets right now, it surely would have eliminated the option to make a significant deadline acquisition this year.

I am not arguing whether trading him was the wrong move-- if it were upto me, I would have let Vegas take him in the XD and not traded down in the entry draft and have blue chip d-prospect like Liljegren or Valimaki waiting in the pipeline. My point was directed at those suggesting that Armia is nothing special and would not have been worth it to the Jets at his current contract.

 

[Jet]

Lemieux was fine until this last game where he channeled the energy of his father. I hope the team sends him back to the AHL for the rest of the season as a disciplinary measure.

Hot take of the thread

 

[scelaton]

Don't forget that he's signed to a one year $1.85M "bridge" contract. You have to think: where would Armia fit in the Jets long-term plans at wing at $1.85M+ going forward? He's being given a huge opportunity right now, one that with Laine, Connor, Ehlers, Wheeler in a top 6 does not allow him to.

Further, moving Armia was the price the Jets paid to erase Mason from the payroll. That contract could have been an issue for the Jets right now, it surely would have eliminated the option to make a significant deadline acquisition this year.

He'd fit in perfectly as a third line shutdown RW with offensive upside, top-6 injury replacement and PK specialist.

Re the cap, they would have had to trade someone else--ideally, Perreualt + picks with Mason to capture even more cap space. Of course, no one knows what alternate deals were available.

It all comes down to estimation future value--we will soon see whether Armia is as good as some think he is or is, as others feel, just an interchangeable piece.

 

[Spock]

He'd fit in perfectly as a third line shutdown RW with offensive upside, top-6 injury replacement and PK specialist.

Re the cap, they would have had to trade someone else--ideally, Perreualt + picks with Mason to capture even more cap space. Of course, no one knows what alternate deals were available.

It all comes down to estimation future value--we will soon see whether Armia is as good as some think he is or is, as others feel, just an interchangeable piece.

How many third lines can a team with "top 6" talent have?

 

[Adam da bomb]

He'd fit in perfectly as a third line shutdown RW with offensive upside, top-6 injury replacement and PK specialist.

Re the cap, they would have had to trade someone else--ideally, Perreualt + picks with Mason to capture even more cap space. Of course, no one knows what alternate deals were available.

It all comes down to estimation future value--we will soon see whether Armia is as good as some think he is or is, as others feel, just an interchangeable piece.

Top 6 injury replacement, we already have 7 top 6 players and the way Mo is playing the 4th line I would rather see Roslo called up to the top 6 as a replacement player than play on a 4th line that gets 6 minutes a game.

 

[scelaton]

How many third lines can a team with "top 6" talent have?

I do not compute.
At a modest AAV, he'd be a perfect match with Lowry and Copp/Tanev, but could play up or down.

 

[Spock]

And moving Perreault with Mason instead? That's just too much money going one way. The alternatives could have been Copp, Roslovic, and maybe Tanev? I'm not sure Armia at $1.85M for one year, or more money for a longer term would have been a better option than those three given the role he'd be playing as a depth winger.

 

[Spock]

I do not compute.
At a modest AAV, he'd be a perfect match with Lowry and Copp/Tanev, but could play up or down.

You're right, you can't compute. You just put Armia on a 4 man line.
You did prove my point that there are only so many lines and roster spots available though. Do you have him on that 4 man line or in the top 6 with 7 other players? Even if Perreault we're moved, that's still 6 plus Armia in the top 6, and 3 plus Armia on the 3rd line.

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

When I think of past Cup champions many have had borderline top 6 forwards. Pittsburgh is one. The salary cap is such that you can't afford 4 30 goal scorers at wing in your top 6.

A name winger is going to have to be traded. Armia would have been ideal to slide up and down the lineup. Also, his penalty killing contribution was overlooked.

I miss him a helluva lot. Would rather have him for the next four or five years than Perrault.