Post-Game Talk: Holland shits out his mouth.

[Stoneman89]

Late to the party, had to work today. But it sounds from bits I've read on here, that Holland 's message was, "I had a lot of success in Detroit, so I think I know a bit about winning."

 

[MessierII]

Holland better pray the team turns it around and this is just a bad stretch.

 

[Oildrum]

I don't think Nicholson pulls the plug on Holland because it makes him look bad. Only way we get change is if Katz gets involved, but does he even show up to games anymore without Gretzky to sip wine with in his luxury box?

 

[StargateSG1]

I actually feel for you guys...
Kenny Holland was the last thing you needed.
He has no clue what he is doing since the Salary Cap arrived.

 

[McSuper]

Just Neal and Sekera. There's no limit though. I think you're thinking of salary retentions like Lucic.

Yeah you are right . Not thinking clearly . A bad year for me . 1st my dad had a stoke , then my dog died , She was my baby . Now my daughter got covid . On top of that I can't even get lost in a Hockey game . Oilers are sucking now anyways .

 

[Stoneman89]

I actually feel for you guys...
Kenny Holland was the last thing you needed.
He has no clue what he is doing since the Salary Cap arrived.

There is some merit in that, for him and a few others. Detroit was one of the few teams in the league that had big, big money behind them and an owner with the willingness to use it. The never lost a guy to a competitor over $$$'s (that I can remember), and while managing their assets well and into a perennial powerhouse, the fact remains that paying their best guys top dollar while attracting others with the cheque book remained their biggest assets. Once the cap era came, it was only a matter of time for them to regress, along with the aging of their stars.

 

[jukon]

Holland seems to be stuck in this "good players who are too old to play good anymore" ideal. Why? Because Chelios played until he was 100? Because Lidstrom was pretty good until his retirement?

This ideal, plus no actual pro scouts, and no real analytics department make for a Chiarelli sized embarrassment.

 

[YakDavid]

After reading the transcripts I don’t get the point of the press conference. Yes there is support to the team and Tippett but realistically how much can you fall after this before changes

 

[StargateSG1]

Holland seems to be stuck in this "good players who are too old to play good anymore" ideal. Why? Because Chelios played until he was 100? Because Lidstrom was pretty good until his retirement?

This ideal, plus no actual pro scouts, and no real analytics department make for a Chiarelli sized embarrassment.

That's what he does.. Overpays and over terms mediocre veterans.
At some point he had 9 unmovable long term contracts on the books in Detroit,
instead of starting a rebuild.
That's according to even the lapdog local media.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Holland won a cup in the Salary Cap Era. Not sure what people are on about stating the contrary.

 

[StargateSG1]

Holland won a cup in the Salary Cap Era. Not sure what people are on about stating the contrary.

with 20% salary rollback in 2005.... It was all based on "Pre-cap riches"
It just didn't catch up to him by 2008 yet and he had Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Lidstrom in their primes still...

Makes sense?

 

[KCC]

So not firing Tippett, possibly signing Kane? I’ll give it a few games as maybe this lights a fire under the team I guess but I’m very close to bailing on this season. I’ve barely even paid attention the last month and a half as is. Lol.

 

[Oilhawks]

After reading the transcripts I don’t get the point of the press conference. Yes there is support to the team and Tippett but realistically how much can you fall after this before changes

To give breadcrumbs about signing Kane

 

[yukoner88]

Sitting in a highway delay caused by either an accident or by strippers selling coffee.

Dare i ask what the low down was of today's presser?

 

[GOilers88]

We need substantially better goaltending too. But substantially better is at least an average NHL starter. Not broken Smith or below average backup like we have now. But replacing the goalie is much easier than replacing 3/4 of our top defenders.

I just mean if the defensive play wasn't any better in 2016 and they only made a run because of Talbot they clearly have a problem with playing defense.

We need substantially better goaltending too. But substantially better is at least an average NHL starter. Not broken Smith or below average backup like we have now. But replacing the goalie is much easier than replacing 3/4 of our top defenders.

Clearly not

 

[Dolemite]

Press Conference Translation - We’re open to trading for playoff scoring depth but we’re not doing another Ethan Bear trade again.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

He is a decent backup. Although he singed in Vancouver with a full NMC so I feel like Edmonton wasn't an option for him either.

I think 'decent backup' is a bit of an undersell.
Bobrovsky, Price, Fleury, Gibson and Andersen.
Thats the entire list goalies that have played as many games as Halak in the last decade that have a higher SV%. He's had 7 seasons of 40+ starts.

Guys been criminally underrated his whole career.

 

[oobga]

Late to the party, had to work today. But it sounds from bits I've read on here, that Holland 's message was, "I had a lot of success in Detroit, so I think I know a bit about winning."

At least he doesn't separate fans into different tiers. We're making SOME progress here.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I think 'decent backup' is a bit of an undersell.
Bobrovsky, Price, Fleury, Gibson and Andersen.
Thats the entire list goalies that have played as many games as Halak in the last decade that have a higher SV%. He's had 7 seasons of 40+ starts.

Guys been criminally underrated his whole career.

He was a starter but can't handle that work load anymore.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

He was a starter but can't handle that work load anymore.

Based on what? That he's been on Rask's team the last 3 years?

Realistically he would have only been asked to play 40-45 games here anyways sharing the load with Smith.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Based on what? That he's been on Rask's team the last 3 years?

Realistically he would have only been asked to play 40-45 games here anyways sharing the load with Smith.

His last year as starter wasn't good with the Islanders.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

His last year as starter wasn't good with the Islanders.

What goalie hasn't had a bad year once over the past 5? Based on that logic Fleury and Price should be out of the conversation moving forward then.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Sitting in a highway delay caused by either an accident or by strippers selling coffee.

Dare i ask what the low down was of today's presser?

I drove one mile to the Mall yesterday and crossed path with 4 accidents in that space. its uncanny. I sympathize with your profession always. So many drivers out there that are apparently abjectly incompetent. That simply can't drive. The road conditions weren't even bad. But it was the first school day back since the holidays and I wonder how much that factored in.

 

[Yak]

It's Official Ken Holland is Senile!

Time to retire or get fired.

He is now owning this entire tire fire and his head on the chopping block now.

Why even hold a presser?

 

[Mack a doodle doo]

It's Official Ken Holland is Senile!

Time to retire or get fired.

He is now owning this entire tire fire and his head on the chopping block now.

Why even hold a presser?

he's in no way owning this, keeps going on about his Detroit day's and how trades are hawd. The entire old boys club have no shame.