Well whenever he falls off, physically you can't keep being this fast until your 35, no ? Its speed from the whole body in his case, if his hands, feet, eyes, brain fall behind, his effectiveness goes down drastically. He's going to be middle of the pack of the elite by then, be it 30 or 32 or what ever, I don't know.
He might fall off earlier than a guy like say... Jagr. But He's going to be good for a while.
What everybody thinks Lemieux could have done, Wayne actually did. I don’t play rainbows and butterflies. I go by what happened.
I’ll take that bet. You can add whatever conditions you want, I’ll take the less favourable ones.
You tried to pull some slight of hand, just admit it. LolI mean, he's Wayne Gretzky. He's not Paul Byron. He should be held to the greatest standard. I mean, Lemieux finished 2nd in PPG in 03 at 37 and in 01 coming back from retirement he finished first by a lot. At 37, Wayne was 8th in PPG.
Basically, its impossible to pinpoint a prime for Lemieux, he was primed all over his career, Wayne clearly declined after 35 (Declined into a top 5 point producer, lmao!)
Edit: From 94 to 98 (Age 34 to 38) Wayne fell to 8th in total points, 9th in PPG) now obviously this is hard to do for Mario but wtv, Lemieux was first in that 34-38 time frame. (and even going to 40)
Edit 2: I dont even know what Im discussing btwIm just being amazed at those two guys stats lines
Gretzky played 100% more defense than Lemieux. This isn’t a debatable defense. If anyone thinks this favours Mario then let’s debate it.
2x0=0
You really saw what u wanted to see and i don’t value that much. I’ll trust my eyes over yours. Way e played 3 zones, Mario played one. If your stubborn enough to argue it, take ur case to
Wasn't just me watching. We made a point of watching the guy and he just sat at the blueline while others did the boardwork.
Absolutely.
1993 had two or three guys with 5 0 goals in 50 games. Jagr played with Lemieux, Francis and a hugely stacked team. McD has outperformed him in a tougher league with a shit team.
McDavid has two scoring titles already. He'd have had a third if he'd played every game last year. Sorry, no matter how you slice this he's ahead of where Jagr was.
Crosby had injuries... tough to compare. I think Crosby was a really complete player though.
Jagr and McD are completely different players. McD is more like Guy Lafleur relying on speed. Jagr was amazing on the boards and was super strong. That conditioning served him well later on. Strongest guy on his skates and you are right about him later in the dead puck era. He was able to power through. He was really built for that era because he was so freaking strong on the puck.
Let’s agree to disagree. One was a phenomenal 5vs5 scorer while the other relied on the pp. one also had the greatest plus minus of any forward in history to go along with his ridiculous numbers. To suggest they were even or even close to even on defense suggests you don’t have a damn clue what you are talking about. Gretzky covered the dman while Kurri covered down low where the Center normally covered, but this wasn’t because of a lack d by Wayne, this was be design to have the most effective counter attack. Wayne’s anticipation and positioning on d was highly underrated.
