UncleRisto
Not Great, Bob!
Yep.I see most have Bowers above Kamenev, are they similar players with Bowers having the higher offensive upside and drive?
Yep.I see most have Bowers above Kamenev, are they similar players with Bowers having the higher offensive upside and drive?
I probably have him at 6th but I'm still very much a fan of him.Just curious, is Greer in your top five? Does anyone still have him top five?
What kind of offensive ceiling do you think Shyv has? Do you see him hitting 60+ points? Or more in the 40-50 points range?
High... he has the pure puck skills and talent to put up really good numbers. There is significant risk with his game though and he could fizzle out in a year or two over here. I wouldn't ever count on him putting up points in the NHL ever, but if he does, he will be an impact producer. Lots of scoring ability in him.
I like the sound of that. How likely did you think his skills translate to the NHL and smaller rink?
That is always difficult to say, and it goes beyond just play on the ice with many Russians.
I go:
Makar
Kaut
Bowers
Timmins
Meloche
Shvyrev
Kamenev
Ranta
Greer
Annunen/Weiss
My top 10.
Lewis, Beaudin, Nantel, Morrison, Smirnov, Anderson, Geertsen... I don’t rate these guys. Henry a long shot. Don’t know enough about Dickinson and the late round guys we drafted this year.
Went Bowers, he is extremely under-rated. Just outperformed #4 overall pick Brady Tkachuk on the same team and is only two months older than him.
Not sure why people keep saying stuff like this about him. Obviously he is doing something right. Every place he plays he does well. What does he have to do to show people that he can be a quality player at the NHL level. I think he has the potential to be way more than what people are giving him credit for.He's also not as talented as Tkachuk. Production is great, but it's the skills that you need to project to the NHL, not the #s.
Not sure why people keep saying stuff like this about him. Obviously he is doing something right. Every place he plays he does well. What does he have to do to show people that he can be a quality player at the NHL level. I think he has the potential to be way more than what people are giving him credit for.
I don't know, but it seems insane to me that people say Tkachuk has more talent, when Bowers did better than him at basically the same age on the same team playing a harder position and getting less opportunities. You don't score 17 goals as a freshman by accident. Compare that to Tkachuk's 8. If we were talking 2-3 goals difference then so what, but that's a 9 goal gap.Because some of us have watched the two of them play and aren't just reading a statsheet?...and I didn't even watch many BU games. Not being as talented as Tkachuk doesn't mean he's not a talented prospect or can't ever be a legit 2C
I don't know, but it seems insane to me that people say Tkachuk has more talent, when Bowers did better than him at basically the same age on the same team playing a harder position and getting less opportunities. You don't score 17 goals as a freshman by accident. Compare that to Tkachuk's 8. If we were talking 2-3 goals difference then so what, but that's a 9 goal gap.
I guess what I'm saying is that I have seen him play a few times (I don't just look at a scoresheet as you seem to think I do) and I'm not sold that Tkachuk is significantly more talented than Bowers. The advantage I will give to Tkachuk is his already NHL sized body.
Production is great, but it's the skills that you need to project to the NHL, not the #s.
Opens with talking about talent...immediately uses production to make his point...
As for the bolded part of your post: What about Tkachuk's hands, his better touch as a passer, and his superior creativity down low?
Bowers skill got crazy under-rated by Sens fans who didn't see him in camp, while Batherson & Formenton almost made their NHL team, but some avs fans have taken it to the other extreme with this "same production as Tkachuk" stuff. Bowers' shot is the only offensive tool that I think is better than Tkachuk's...and that might just be because I didn't watch enough BU games to get a great read on Tkachuk's shot...
There were a lot of players I'd have taken ahead of Tkachuk in this draft, but let's not under-rate his skill level.
You say that about his shot, but his hockey IQ is raced about.
Matchups make a difference. Brady and Bowers were frequently on different line and Bowers faced easier competition. That said, Bowers has underrated skill. I think he will produce real solid top 6 numbers in the NHL.
Henchman, I have not commented much but I was reading different teams forums in regards to the trade rumor threads and things like that. For trade deals against Colorado, multipe people on HF boards want Shvyryov as a secondary piece coming back. I bet they know who Greer or Bowers is, but why do they keep asking for Shvyryov? Maybe they are watching him more then we or they know more then we do. I don't want to be in that situation as Hawks were when they traded Panarin. I am not comparing Panarin, but what if Shvyryov is half as skillful as him. There is not a lot of utube or video on this Colorado rocket prospect.