I don't know of how a roster with Kucherov, Point, Hedman, McDonagh and Vasilevskiy will not be impressive? Sure those guys will be a couple of years older but none of them have shown signs of slowing down. They'll had some injury issues but they play is still high level. Obviously that's the only players under contract so far so no idea how the rest of the roster will look but the core is still intact and should be a playoff team regardless.
Confirmed with Link: Hagel & two 4ths ('22 & '24) traded to TB for Raddysh, Katchouk, & two 1sts ('23 & '24)
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I don't know of how a roster with Kucherov, Point, Hedman, McDonagh and Vasilevskiy will not be impressive? Sure those guys will be a couple of years older but none of them have shown signs of slowing down. They'll had some injury issues but they play is still high level. Obviously that's the only players under contract so far so no idea how the rest of the roster will look but the core is still intact and should be a playoff team regardless.
CallMeShaft
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McDonough doesn't belong with the other guys you listed.
And most teams have a couple elite guys. Tampa has one or two more than that, but they also lack a ton of depth. Depth is a significant reason why good teams are good.
Not saying that I expect they'll drop of contention soon, but I could see it, especially if one of those core guys regresses enough.
The top 2 Dmen will be in their mid 30’s.
McD is already slowing down.
Hedman is “picking his spots” and joining the rush less. He gets (IMO) too many hard minutes to maintain his level (See Keith/Seabrook).
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24/25 season is just 2 years away, not 5. McDonagh isn't slowing down, he's still one of the best defensive defenseman in the league. Plus they have Sergachev and Cernak to eat some minutes for them, Sergachev is already up to 2nd in time on ice.
Tampa will most likely bring back Stamkos for much less, Hagel gets a raise, plus there's Cirelli and Colton who could still be around. The top 6 amd top 4 should still be elite and Vasilevskiy will still be Vezina quality.
The trade was a great one for Chicago because I think Raddysh and Katchouk would have been good pieces for us going forward. BriseBois just wanted more of a sure thing and Hagel was that over those two who Cooper didn't trust yet, it takes him a long time to trust kids sometimes. So BriseBois couldn't wait for that and forced the issue. The two 1sts will be late and we would most likely more one of both down the line for a rental anyway so not expecting them to even be used by us. We just need to find a few college or CHL free agents to fill our prospect pool that's bare.
CallMeShaft
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Tampa has been bouncing in and out of 3rd place in their division (and into a WC spot) the last week or so. They aren't some unbeatable juggernaut.
Good teams decline. We know better than most. We're just crossing our fingers the Bolts decline a little sooner than what might be realistic.
They were an unbeatable juggernaut in the regular season in 18/19 when they tied an NHL record for wins. Them they got swept in the playoffs. Since then they haven't put in the same effort in the regular season so they're ready come playoff time and it's worked. They know what they need to do to make the playoffs and that's what they do and then bring out their best there. They could always fall flat on their face and the pick be in the low 20's but that pick isn't helping this current core more than Hagel hopefully will.
CallMeShaft
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Yeah, we know all about the magical switch.
Don't forget what fanbase you're talking to.
ColbyChaos
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How many Hawks fans thought Keith would fall off in 2018? Only 3 years since his dominant Conn Smythe run. McDonnagh will be 33 come june. Even the greatest and most conditioned athletes fall off a cliff around 33-35
DisgruntledHawkFan
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Hagel tearing it up for the Lightning. We got robbed only getting two first round picks for him
3 g with a still very high shooting % at 16.7 and 0a in 15 games is “tearing it up”?
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AmericanDream
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Hagel is gonna do well over there, not every player gels right away after being traded. I was shocked with the return the Hawks got, Tampa must feel they will be very very late 1st round picks.
Easy win the Hawks…
Four players for one, maybe two if one of their 4ths make it…
Tyler Raddsyh abs Boris Katchouk are NHLers and two top 32 picks vs Hagel and two top 128 picks…
Four players for one, maybe two if one of their 4ths make it…
Tyler Raddsyh abs Boris Katchouk are NHLers and two top 32 picks vs Hagel and two top 128 picks…
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
No not really. Sarcasm maybe?
I think Raddysh will be a surprising pick up in this deal.
lakai17
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Chicago and Tampa have very different forward depth charts. Hence the standings. Hagel has the opportunity to jump up in the top 6 next season or if injuries happen of course.
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Hattrick Kane
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I’m just happy we sold high for once.
Kevin Musto
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He gave him 3x$1.5
deytookerjaabs
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He's in the bottom 6 averaging under 13 minutes a night with no power play time. He was averaging 2 minutes a game on the power play and 17 and half minutes a night here. Tampa's top 6 was working out pretty good for them already so as was understood the Hagel acquisition will be judged on him moving up when the team inevitably loses a guy or two.
Hagel’s shooting percentage came back down to earth and he scored 6 goals in 45 games for Tampa.
