Post-Game Talk: Habs win two of their last three! (2-1 @ NYR)

[Zorba]

AC just showed the following list of Habs prospects:

And did a roundtable asking who should be made available in a trade?

Unanimous answer: all of them.

Brunet: he's intrigued by Suzuki, thinks he's making strides but is not willing to not make him available.

Gaston: if Jersey selects just one from the list, you make the deal for Hall.

For me Romanov should be untouchable. After that, anyone can be traded
Sorry. Caufield should be untouchable As well

 

[OldCraig71]

AC just showed the following list of Habs prospects:

And did a roundtable asking who should be made available in a trade?

Unanimous answer: all of them.

Brunet: he's intrigued by Suzuki, thinks he's making strides but is not willing to not make him available.

Gaston: if Jersey selects just one from the list, you make the deal for Hall.

Jersey will ask for Caulfield to reunite him with Jack Hughes and our fearless leader will pull the trigger, I cringe because it's probably real.

 

[Runner77]

Man Mountain is usually quick to get up after getting injured, no overblown theatrics from him which one has to respect.

Classic comment from DangerDave in the GDT about Man Mountain:

Weber's face = Mount Rushmore

Crazy eyes are out. Nice

 

[Zorba]

Jersey will ask for Caulfield to reunite him with Jack Hughes and our fearless leader will pull the trigger, I cringe because it's probably real.

No chance at all. Romanov and Caufield are going nowhere
The rest , you never know.

 

[Forum93]

Classic comment from DangerDave in the GDT about Man Mountain:

I'd like to "like" this post but some meanie stole my like button, you have any connections Runner to make it all right?

 

[OnTheRun]

For me Romanov should be untouchable. After that, anyone can be traded
Sorry. Caufield should be untouchable As well

Probably best to wait until Romanov is under contract with the Habs before putting him in the untouchable category.

He's a dead asset if he re-sign in the KHL.

 

[Runner77]

Heard on the radio Leskinen made a big mistake that lead to the goal, has he been okay other than that or was it a difficult game ?

It was a bouncing puck, he was the last man back and Brendan Smith pounced and had too much momentum so he was able to skate past Leskinen for a breakaway goal:



What I didn't get is why was Leskinen being used on the right when he's lefthanded?

After that, couldn't resist a little spoof ...

Jersey nameplate being restitched in the Habs dressing room a few minutes ago after that Leskinen botched play ...

 

[jaffy27]

I'd like to "like" this post but some meanie stole my like button, you have any connections Runner to make it all right?

I liked it for you

 

[jaffy27]

 

[Zorba]

Probably best to wait until Romanov is under contract with the Habs before putting him in the untouchable category.

He's a dead asset if he re-sign in the KHL.

True. But we can’t give up on left handed PMD at the moment. We have none

 

[Tuggy]

2nd in the division

 

[26Mats]

It need to be adjusted for inflation.

It's in a league with two 50+ pts players and ~seven 40+ points players in the first week of December.

35 players are above 0.90 PPG.

62 points isn't what it used to be.

Danault is tied for 40th in points. He's a durable player who's played every game. But let's look at his points per game. He's tied for 69th overall among forwards (72nd minus 3 because 3 guys ahead of him are nobody's that only played 1 game). Keep in mind there should be about 93 1st liners and 186 top 3 forwards in a 31 team league. He ranks 69th. And that's not including the point he got tonight.

Here's the company he keeps. Danault is bolded. Does that look like a list of 3rd liners?

RK

PLAYER

TEAM

GP

G

A

PTS

+/-

PIM

PTS/G

SOG

PCT

GWG

G

A

G

A

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

61	Tyler Bertuzzi, LW	DET	30	10	14	24	-9	8	0.80	61	16.4	0	0	6	0	0
62	Nikolaj Ehlers, LW	WPG	29	13	10	23	6	10	0.79	86	15.1	3	3	0	0	0
63	Dylan Strome, C	CHI	24	6	13	19	10	10	0.79	34	17.6	0	1	2	0	0
64	Jonathan Drouin, C	MTL	19	7	8	15	4	6	0.79	44	15.9	1	1	3	0	0
65	Nicklas Backstrom, C	WSH	23	4	14	18	-3	2	0.78	54	7.4	0	1	7	0	0
66	Evgenii Dadonov, RW	FLA	27	10	11	21	-1	2	0.78	68	14.7	1	5	1	0	0
	Brock Nelson, C	NYI	27	9	12	21	-3	14	0.78	86	10.5	4	2	2	0	0
68	Mark Stone, RW	VGS	31	11	13	24	-6	11	0.77	80	13.8	1	5	5	0	1
69	Matt Duchene, C	NSH	26	7	13	20	-2	8	0.77	54	13.0	0	3	2	0	0
70	Sean Monahan, C	CGY	30	7	16	23	-12	6	0.77	72	9.7	1	3	6	0	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
	Tyler Seguin, C	DAL	30	6	17	23	2	14	0.77	109	5.5	2	0	5	0	0
72	Sebastian Aho, LW	CAR	29	13	9	22	8	8	0.76	84	15.5	2	2	2	2	1
	Brendan Gallagher, RW	MTL	29	12	10	22	4	4	0.76	111	10.8	0	0	1	0	0
	Sean Couturier, C	PHI	29	8	14	22	6	14	0.76	81	9.9	1	1	4	0	0
	Phillip Danault, C	MTL	29	7	15	22	7	8	0.76	43	16.3	0	0	1	0	0
76	Ryan Getzlaf, C	ANA	28	9	12	21	5	20	0.75	67	13.4	5	2	1	0	0
	Alex Killorn, C	TB	24	7	11	18	2	10	0.75	46	15.2	0	4	2	0	0
78	Reilly Smith, RW	VGS	31	12	11	23	6	4	0.74	73	16.4	2	1	2	2	1
79	Nazem Kadri, C	COL	27	10	10	20	3	38	0.74	71	14.1	1	3	4	0	0
80	William Nylander, RW	TOR	30	11	11	22	-2	8	0.73	86	12.8	0	2	3	0	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
81	T.J. Oshie, RW	WSH	30	11	11	22	5	16	0.73	58	19.0	1	5	1	0	0
	Jaden Schwartz, LW	STL	30	8	14	22	-3	6	0.73	68	11.8	1	4	5	0	0
	Johnny Gaudreau, LW	CGY	30	6	16	22	-10	10	0.73	84	7.1	0	3	6	0	0
84	Jean-Gabriel Pageau, C	OTT	29	15	6	21	19	13	0.72	71	21.1	3	0	2	2	0
	Jason Zucker, LW	MIN	29	11	10	21	-5	10	0.72	53	20.8	1	4	2	0	0
	Sam Reinhart, C	BUF	29	10	11	21	-2	14	0.72	55	18.2	0	1	4	0	0
	Jakub Voracek, RW	PHI	29	6	15	21	4	12	0.72	51	11.8	1	2	5	0	0
88	Alex DeBrincat, RW	CHI	28	6	14	20	5	9	0.71	80	7.5	0	3	2	0	0
	Bryan Little, C	WPG	7	2	3	5	4	2	0.71	13	15.4	1	0	0	0	0
90	Jonathan Marchessault, C	VGS	31	9	13	22	-3	12	0.71	109	8.3	2	3	5	0	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
91	Brett Connolly, RW	FLA	27	12	7	19	4	8	0.70	50	24.0	1	1	1	0	0
	Josh Bailey, LW	NYI	27	7	12	19	-2	4	0.70	27	25.9	1	1	3	0	0
	Pavel Buchnevich, LW	NYR	27	5	14	19	4	8	0.70	44	11.4	0	1	3	0	0
94	Elias Lindholm, C	CGY	30	14	7	21	-4	14	0.70	73	19.2	4	5	2	0	0
	Vincent Trocheck, C	FLA	20	4	10	14	-3	8	0.70	50	8.0	0	0	2	1	0
96	Jared McCann, C	PIT	26	9	9	18	12	4	0.69	52	17.3	2	1	1	0	0
97	Claude Giroux, LW	PHI	29	9	11	20	6	18	0.69	95	9.5	4	3	5	0	1
	Eric Staal, C	MIN	29	8	12	20	-8	20	0.69	55	14.5	3	3	2	0	0
	Blake Wheeler, RW	WPG	29	7	13	20	-3	14	0.69	75	9.3	0	0	4	0	0
100	Erik Haula, LW	CAR	16	8	3	11	0	6	0.69	33	24.2	1	3	2	0	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
101	Adam Gaudette, C	VAN	19	6	7	13	1	6	0.68	25	24.0	0	3	3	0	0
102	Viktor Arvidsson, RW	NSH	22	6	9	15	1	4	0.68	50	12.0	0	2	2	0	0
	Matt Calvert, LW	COL	22	5	10	15	7	21	0.68	41	12.2	1	0	0	2	0
104	Anthony Cirelli, C	TB	25	6	11	17	0	14	0.68	41	14.6	0	1	2	0	1
105	Jakob Silfverberg, LW	ANA	28	10	9	19	2	8	0.68	58	17.2	1	2	0	2	0
	Zack Kassian, RW	EDM	28	9	10	19	9	29	0.68	47	19.1	1	0	0	0	0
	Rickard Rakell, C	ANA	28	8	11	19	5	6	0.68	79	10.1	0	1	2	0	3
108	Tom Wilson, RW	WSH	30	11	9	20	8	29	0.67	68	16.2	4	1	2	1	0
	Mike Hoffman, LW	FLA	27	10	8	18	-5	10	0.67	79	12.7	1	5	3	0	0
	Calle Jarnkrok, C	NSH	27	10	8	18	3	2	0.67	62	16.1	1	2	1	2	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
	Kyle Palmieri, RW	NJ	27	10	8	18	3	31	0.67	63	15.9	1	4	4	0	0
	Anthony Beauvillier, LW	NYI	27	9	9	18	6	6	0.67	55	16.4	1	2	2	1	0
	Nick Schmaltz, C	ARI	30	5	15	20	4	6	0.67	38	13.2	2	1	4	0	0
	Gabriel Landeskog, LW	COL	12	4	4	8	-3	14	0.67	27	14.8	2	0	2	0	0
115	Pierre-Luc Dubois, C	CBJ	28	10	8	18	-9	19	0.64	72	13.9	1	1	5	0	0
	Gustav Nyquist, C	CBJ	28	7	11	18	-6	10	0.64	67	10.4	2	2	3	0	0
	Alex Tuch, RW	VGS	14	5	4	9	-2	2	0.64	31	16.1	1	2	2	0	0
118	Mats Zuccarello, RW	MIN	25	6	10	16	-5	10	0.64	37	16.2	1	2	3	0	0
	Nico Hischier, C	NJ	25	5	11	16	-6	4	0.64	55	9.1	0	1	4	1	0
	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, C	EDM	25	5	11	16	-4	12	0.64	60	8.3	2	3	6	0	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Runner77]

... you have any connections Runner to make it all right?

I'm just a putz like the rest of the users in here.

Thanks so much for your kind thought.

 

[Forum93]

I liked it for you

Alright, thanks

 

[jaffy27]

Probably best to wait until Romanov is under contract with the Habs before putting him in the untouchable category.

He's a dead asset if he re-sign in the KHL.

Word is he won’t .....between that and he being in Montreal over the summer.....bodes well for us but of course, I need to see pen to paper before counting my chickens.

 

[Tighthead]

True. But we can’t give up on left handed PMD at the moment. We have none

Oh MB gave up on them a few summers back...

 

[26Mats]

2nd in the division

We are lucky Toronto and Buffalo have also taken nose dives.

But Florida and Tampa have many games in hand. So we're behind them in terms of points earned per game. We'll need to weather this storm better while Drouin and Byron are out to beat them out for a playoff spot.

Peca and Primeau should help.

 

[Runner77]

For those who missed the game on RDS, the GDT or both, there was yet another Paul Houde signature line worth reprising.

Pierre Houde: Lemieux, s'il a du père dans l'nez, ne doit pas être trop mauvais non plus avec le mâche-patates, comme on dit Marc.

Context:

A chippy faceoff between Brendan Lemieux and Max Domi at 1:36 of the first period.

After trading stick jabs with each other, play was whistled down and Houde took the occasion to comment how each of them was reacting like their respective father would have, saying how the fathers left a mark in the NHL in their own way.

Marc Denis mentions how he played with one of the fathers and how intense it was.

Ref trying to resume the faceoff at 1:37, chases Domi away from the faceoff dot, as he's becoming aggressive and has him replaced. Meantime, Lemieux is continuing to trash-talk Domi.

Houde says "It's best that Domi doesn't bite (at Lemieux's antics) if the Habs want to protect their lead."

And then the one-liner about if Lemieux is anything like his dad, he can't be all that bad in the yapping department.

The expression however, is a lot funnier in French. It has a pure Québécois origin and flavor:

S'ouvrir le mâche-patates = parler, parler sans arrêt. Literally translates as "to open your potato-masher" which means to talk and talk non-stop.

The subtleties that come from Pierre Houde's rich vocabulary are one thing that never ceases to amaze me.

The above was truly a beaut.

 

[Edgy]

He's head and shoulders above every 3rd line (depth-wise) player in the league.

That's highly debatable to say the very least and even then that still does not make him top 6 on a contender.

 

[Forum93]

I'm just a putz like the rest of the users in here.

In that case you are about to get modded, calling posters any names is against the rules

 

[David25]

After the back to back this Tuesday and Wednesday, Habs have 5 games remaining before the christmas break. All are non-back-to-back.

How many does Primeau get?

He’ll get Detroit on Wednesday and that’s probably it

 

[OnTheRun]

Word is he won’t .....between that and he being in Montreal over the summer.....bodes well for us but of course, I need to see pen to paper before counting my chickens.

Well exactly, until there is a legal binding between both side, I wouldn't consider him untouchable. Altho, it doesn't mean he should be traded either.

 

[26Mats]

He’ll get Detroit on Wednesday and that’s probably it

Detroit is Saturday, and not on a back to back. Ottawa is Wednesday.

 

[Runner77]

In that case you are about to get modded, calling posters any names is against the rules

 

[OnTheRun]

Danault is tied for 40th in points. He's a durable player who's played every game. But let's look at his points per game. He's tied for 69th overall among forwards (72nd minus 3 because 3 guys ahead of him are nobody's that only played 1 game). Keep in mind there should be about 93 1st liners and 186 top 3 forwards in a 31 team league. He ranks 69th. And that's not including the point he got tonight.

Here's the company he keeps. Danault is bolded. Does that look like a list of 3rd liners?

RK

PLAYER

TEAM

GP

G

A

PTS

+/-

PIM

PTS/G

SOG

PCT

GWG

G

A

G

A

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

61	Tyler Bertuzzi, LW	DET	30	10	14	24	-9	8	0.80	61	16.4	0	0	6	0	0
62	Nikolaj Ehlers, LW	WPG	29	13	10	23	6	10	0.79	86	15.1	3	3	0	0	0
63	Dylan Strome, C	CHI	24	6	13	19	10	10	0.79	34	17.6	0	1	2	0	0
64	Jonathan Drouin, C	MTL	19	7	8	15	4	6	0.79	44	15.9	1	1	3	0	0
65	Nicklas Backstrom, C	WSH	23	4	14	18	-3	2	0.78	54	7.4	0	1	7	0	0
66	Evgenii Dadonov, RW	FLA	27	10	11	21	-1	2	0.78	68	14.7	1	5	1	0	0
	Brock Nelson, C	NYI	27	9	12	21	-3	14	0.78	86	10.5	4	2	2	0	0
68	Mark Stone, RW	VGS	31	11	13	24	-6	11	0.77	80	13.8	1	5	5	0	1
69	Matt Duchene, C	NSH	26	7	13	20	-2	8	0.77	54	13.0	0	3	2	0	0
70	Sean Monahan, C	CGY	30	7	16	23	-12	6	0.77	72	9.7	1	3	6	0	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
	Tyler Seguin, C	DAL	30	6	17	23	2	14	0.77	109	5.5	2	0	5	0	0
72	Sebastian Aho, LW	CAR	29	13	9	22	8	8	0.76	84	15.5	2	2	2	2	1
	Brendan Gallagher, RW	MTL	29	12	10	22	4	4	0.76	111	10.8	0	0	1	0	0
	Sean Couturier, C	PHI	29	8	14	22	6	14	0.76	81	9.9	1	1	4	0	0
	Phillip Danault, C	MTL	29	7	15	22	7	8	0.76	43	16.3	0	0	1	0	0
76	Ryan Getzlaf, C	ANA	28	9	12	21	5	20	0.75	67	13.4	5	2	1	0	0
	Alex Killorn, C	TB	24	7	11	18	2	10	0.75	46	15.2	0	4	2	0	0
78	Reilly Smith, RW	VGS	31	12	11	23	6	4	0.74	73	16.4	2	1	2	2	1
79	Nazem Kadri, C	COL	27	10	10	20	3	38	0.74	71	14.1	1	3	4	0	0
80	William Nylander, RW	TOR	30	11	11	22	-2	8	0.73	86	12.8	0	2	3	0	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
81	T.J. Oshie, RW	WSH	30	11	11	22	5	16	0.73	58	19.0	1	5	1	0	0
	Jaden Schwartz, LW	STL	30	8	14	22	-3	6	0.73	68	11.8	1	4	5	0	0
	Johnny Gaudreau, LW	CGY	30	6	16	22	-10	10	0.73	84	7.1	0	3	6	0	0
84	Jean-Gabriel Pageau, C	OTT	29	15	6	21	19	13	0.72	71	21.1	3	0	2	2	0
	Jason Zucker, LW	MIN	29	11	10	21	-5	10	0.72	53	20.8	1	4	2	0	0
	Sam Reinhart, C	BUF	29	10	11	21	-2	14	0.72	55	18.2	0	1	4	0	0
	Jakub Voracek, RW	PHI	29	6	15	21	4	12	0.72	51	11.8	1	2	5	0	0
88	Alex DeBrincat, RW	CHI	28	6	14	20	5	9	0.71	80	7.5	0	3	2	0	0
	Bryan Little, C	WPG	7	2	3	5	4	2	0.71	13	15.4	1	0	0	0	0
90	Jonathan Marchessault, C	VGS	31	9	13	22	-3	12	0.71	109	8.3	2	3	5	0	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
91	Brett Connolly, RW	FLA	27	12	7	19	4	8	0.70	50	24.0	1	1	1	0	0
	Josh Bailey, LW	NYI	27	7	12	19	-2	4	0.70	27	25.9	1	1	3	0	0
	Pavel Buchnevich, LW	NYR	27	5	14	19	4	8	0.70	44	11.4	0	1	3	0	0
94	Elias Lindholm, C	CGY	30	14	7	21	-4	14	0.70	73	19.2	4	5	2	0	0
	Vincent Trocheck, C	FLA	20	4	10	14	-3	8	0.70	50	8.0	0	0	2	1	0
96	Jared McCann, C	PIT	26	9	9	18	12	4	0.69	52	17.3	2	1	1	0	0
97	Claude Giroux, LW	PHI	29	9	11	20	6	18	0.69	95	9.5	4	3	5	0	1
	Eric Staal, C	MIN	29	8	12	20	-8	20	0.69	55	14.5	3	3	2	0	0
	Blake Wheeler, RW	WPG	29	7	13	20	-3	14	0.69	75	9.3	0	0	4	0	0
100	Erik Haula, LW	CAR	16	8	3	11	0	6	0.69	33	24.2	1	3	2	0	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
101	Adam Gaudette, C	VAN	19	6	7	13	1	6	0.68	25	24.0	0	3	3	0	0
102	Viktor Arvidsson, RW	NSH	22	6	9	15	1	4	0.68	50	12.0	0	2	2	0	0
	Matt Calvert, LW	COL	22	5	10	15	7	21	0.68	41	12.2	1	0	0	2	0
104	Anthony Cirelli, C	TB	25	6	11	17	0	14	0.68	41	14.6	0	1	2	0	1
105	Jakob Silfverberg, LW	ANA	28	10	9	19	2	8	0.68	58	17.2	1	2	0	2	0
	Zack Kassian, RW	EDM	28	9	10	19	9	29	0.68	47	19.1	1	0	0	0	0
	Rickard Rakell, C	ANA	28	8	11	19	5	6	0.68	79	10.1	0	1	2	0	3
108	Tom Wilson, RW	WSH	30	11	9	20	8	29	0.67	68	16.2	4	1	2	1	0
	Mike Hoffman, LW	FLA	27	10	8	18	-5	10	0.67	79	12.7	1	5	3	0	0
	Calle Jarnkrok, C	NSH	27	10	8	18	3	2	0.67	62	16.1	1	2	1	2	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
	Kyle Palmieri, RW	NJ	27	10	8	18	3	31	0.67	63	15.9	1	4	4	0	0
	Anthony Beauvillier, LW	NYI	27	9	9	18	6	6	0.67	55	16.4	1	2	2	1	0
	Nick Schmaltz, C	ARI	30	5	15	20	4	6	0.67	38	13.2	2	1	4	0	0
	Gabriel Landeskog, LW	COL	12	4	4	8	-3	14	0.67	27	14.8	2	0	2	0	0
115	Pierre-Luc Dubois, C	CBJ	28	10	8	18	-9	19	0.64	72	13.9	1	1	5	0	0
	Gustav Nyquist, C	CBJ	28	7	11	18	-6	10	0.64	67	10.4	2	2	3	0	0
	Alex Tuch, RW	VGS	14	5	4	9	-2	2	0.64	31	16.1	1	2	2	0	0
118	Mats Zuccarello, RW	MIN	25	6	10	16	-5	10	0.64	37	16.2	1	2	3	0	0
	Nico Hischier, C	NJ	25	5	11	16	-6	4	0.64	55	9.1	0	1	4	1	0
	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, C	EDM	25	5	11	16	-4	12	0.64	60	8.3	2	3	6	0	0

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That's a huge effort, but I never inferred that Danault was a "X" liners. My original post wasn't even about Danault specifically, I merely stated that ~62 points wasn't what it used to be.

If we want to make it about Danault then I'm going to say that if the Habs plan is to use Danault the way they use him now for years to come, then the team missed the boat (as far as where the league is going) once again.