WeThreeKings
Habs cup - its in the BAG
The guy is 26.
And he's often injured. Overpaid. And completely useless on this team..
The guy is 26.
Maybe. That said, it falls in line with my belief that Bergevin really doesn't want to get rid of a lot players.
I don't think he trades Shaw, just like I don't think he moves Patches.
Bergevin can hang on to those guys. There is no rush to trade them.
A guy like Plekanec, that's a no brainer because you're not bringing him back (hope not). You can trade him and then sign a guy like Filppula-Letestu-Beagle-Vermette, if you absolute want a Plek type. Might as well just sell Plek, get more picks for this upcoming draft and then see how the hunt for a center plays out with Tavares-Backlund-Stastny available.
I am pretty darn sure that is what Bergevin is hoping for.
Sell Plekanec, Morrow. Get more picks. Cross finger draft in top 5 and if we can get #1 overall, well, that is huge change as early as next year for our defense with Dahlin.
Then you open the bank for Tavares. Go all in for him. If you traded Patches and Shaw for younger unproven talent, well, you are sending the image that you are rebuilding, which is probably not going to be all too appealing to Tavares when he will surely have offers from better teams on the table.
If Tavares passes, hopefully Backlund-Stastny are still available and willing to listen.
In any event, you can definitely sell that the team isn't in a rebuild direction if you keep Patches-Shaw on the team.
So I think Bergevin does very little selling this year. He will keep his guys unless he can pull a trade for a legit player coming back our way. Otherwise he will keep them here, go all in on the open market come July.
He's a fighter right? If he goes down, he'll go down swinging. He will dish out all the cash next summer in an attempt to lure guys here. Maybe he can hit the jackpot by signing Tavares and Carlson, on top of landing the #1 overall. All of this without having to move any big piece on the current roster.
I am sure that is what he is planning to do.
Taking a step back, looking at the big picture and how this team needed to be in contention starting from the last two years, dropping his ego and admitting selling guys is probably the best direction to take at this point, does not sound like something Bergevin can do. He'll go down swinging.
I never liked the trade to begin with, I always thought Shaw was a POS before he got here and nothing changed my mind since. Hopefully he gets traded and we get a decent return.....hopefully
The guy is 26.
one simple fact you missed....Shaw represents the problem with Bergevin and his country club. You don't overpay for bottom six players. You make other teams do it.
Chicago couldn't afford him at anything more than $2.5 million. So what do they do? They got two second round picks for him and one of them ended up DeBrincat, who at 20 years old will have a better season than Shaw's best.
What does Montreal do? They sign Shaw for six years at a hair under $4 million. They try him in the top six and he can't do it. He's now an overpaid energy guy who takes bad penalties and already looks walking wounded for what? 35 points a year?
Is he a good player? Sure. But paying guys like him for middle of the road scoring means less money for actual stars that make a difference. Lose Shaw and Alzner and you got $8 million for a superstar. You know, like overpaying Radulov a little to keep him in Montreal. But nah. He isn't a priority.
Shaw represents the problem with Bergevin and his country club. You don't overpay for bottom six players. You make other teams do it.
Chicago couldn't afford him at anything more than $2.5 million. So what do they do? They got two second round picks for him and one of them ended up DeBrincat, who at 20 years old will have a better season than Shaw's best.
What does Montreal do? They sign Shaw for six years at a hair under $4 million. They try him in the top six and he can't do it. He's now an overpaid energy guy who takes bad penalties and already looks walking wounded for what? 35 points a year?
Is he a good player? Sure. But paying guys like him for middle of the road scoring means less money for actual stars that make a difference. Lose Shaw and Alzner and you got $8 million for a superstar. You know, like overpaying Radulov a little to keep him in Montreal. But nah. He isn't a priority.
Let's say I hate Shaw's contract and uselessness, I want to trade him ASAP, but more like a late 2nd rounder and a cap dump or even a 3rd, something like that.
Now, let's say I'm more rational, I want to up his value a bit and wait for some offers, hoping for more than only a 2nd rounder or a quality B prospect, and trade for the best offer only.
Finally, let's say I'm delusional, I want to keep him because I traded for him and gave him this contract for a reason, and we'll win everything with him !
I wouldn’t get too excited about what a possible return would be for sure. Maybe a 2nd. ..maybe.not sure what people are expecting to get for him.....we got him for 2 picks which i thought was over payment at the time.....he might be worth one pick now,
just like patches and chucky....MB will over estimate his value just like most here, and that why he probably will not be traded....MB likes to play hardball, but can't swing the bat, so he loses out
I think weber and drouin and what they were traded for represent bergevin's mentality more perfectly than shawzie
Of course he’s hesitant to trade Shaw. Why couldn’t he of been as “hesitant” to trade Subban or Sergachev? The guy doubles down on character and shuns skill and somehow people are shocked when we have this awful awful team.
I've noticed over my 50 years on this planet that there are trick words. Such as, refreshing. "How's the water?" "Refreshing." In this case, refreshing means cold. Much like like good personality means not good looking and so on.
Apparently now, Reluctant means impossible.
He seems to be remarkably willing to get rid of D-men that are competent at managing the puck.
He models the defense after his NHL playing days. Slow, gritty, character and fighters