Habs Off-season discussion Part 3 (All your ****** proposals go here)

[vokiel]

wow! this is a huge news for me. thnx!

No problem, a lot of people still think the 35+ rules of the old CBA is still the same when in fact it was reviewed during the last lockout.

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

That's pretty average to me. I would dump them all, only keeping Chucky.

Sounds like a stupid plan to me. What do you want? 4 legit first centers?

We need a legit first center and hopefully Galchenyuk will be that guy but we have plenty of good 2nd/third center, why would you want to dump them all. Grass is not always greener.

 

[Agnostic]

Sounds like a stupid plan to me. What do you want? 4 legit first centers?

I'd settle for one.

Centre has been the biggest need for nearly 2 decades, still is.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

At 3.9M for me, Gorges needs to do more than block shots, and be a good leader...my issue with Gorges is his contract...he should be fairly easy to deal though...

Good luck getting a top 4 dman for less than 3.9, especially in free agency. The cap is always going up, 3.9 is perfectly fine seeing as we gave Emelin 4.1 to hit people.

 

[Forlando]

Good luck getting a top 4 dman for less than 3.9, especially in free agency. The cap is always going up, 3.9 is perfectly fine seeing as we gave Emelin 4.1 to hit people.

This has nothing to do with Gorges directly but it is really crazy to pay 4 mils to a D man with no offensive upside whatsoever, when 20 goal scorers wingers and centers are making 4-5 mil leaguewide....not sure if it was Burke who started this trend with Komi's contract or what...I just find it hard to understand.

 

[Richiebottles]

Good luck getting a top 4 dman for less than 3.9, especially in free agency. The cap is always going up, 3.9 is perfectly fine seeing as we gave Emelin 4.1 to hit people.

He just seems expendable to me.

I really don't get the obsession with keeping him.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

If Ehrhoff is willing to take 4M for 4 years. I drive Gorges to the airport if I have to.

 

[Corncob]

He just seems expendable to me.

I really don't get the obsession with keeping him.

Gorges is expendable when you've got 4 dmen who are better. And that means actually in reality better not "Tinordi/Patteryn/Bealieu could easily fill that role full time based on nice highlight plays that they made in a lesser role..."

 

[Cole Caulifield]

This has nothing to do with Gorges directly but it is really crazy to pay 4 mils to a D man with no offensive upside whatsoever, when 20 goal scorers wingers and centers are making 4-5 mil leaguewide....not sure if it was Burke who started this trend with Komi's contract or what...I just find it hard to understand.

Well, a guy like Vlasic is well worth 4.25M.

Or a guy like Adam Foote back in the day.

Or the older Scott Stevens who had lost his offensive upside.

Gorges just isn't in that league.. not even close. I just hate the thought of a small top 4 dman who is only good defensively and blocks shots. It's not a winning formula.

Gorges is expendable when you've got 4 dmen who are better. And that means actually in reality better not "Tinordi/Patteryn/Bealieu could easily fill that role full time based on nice highlight plays that they made in a lesser role..."

So the answer is to improve our blueline. There are two good dmen available via free agency. Move the garbage out and do what it takes to sign one of them.

If Ehrhoff is willing to take 4M for 4 years. I drive Gorges to the airport if I have to.

If you drive Gorges off to the airport, you free up 3.9M. I'd add 1.6M more to have someone the caliber of Ehrhoff. At that point, we have traded Gorges, hopefully got something OK in return, and only pay 1.6M more than what we are currently to have a much much better player than Gorges. Someone who can play with Subban for the next 4-5 years.

 

[Habsawce]

Good luck getting a top 4 dman for less than 3.9, especially in free agency. The cap is always going up, 3.9 is perfectly fine seeing as we gave Emelin 4.1 to hit people.

We have a top 4 defenseman on the cheap who can do more than Gorges in Beaulieu. He doesn't need to block shots because he can skate and handle the puck instead of continuously turning it over at the blueline and having to block shots over and over because of it.

Beaulieu-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Tinordi-Weaver

done

 

[Le Barron de HF]

If you drive Gorges off to the airport, you free up 3.9M. I'd add 1.6M more to have someone the caliber of Ehrhoff. At that point, we have traded Gorges, hopefully got something OK in return, and only pay 1.6M more than what we are currently to have a much much better player than Gorges. Someone who can play with Subban for the next 4-5 years.

Considering how much money Ehrhoff just got, I would think that a 4M would be enough for him and I think Ehrhoff would be that that D partner you're talking about Subban.

 

[Habsawce]

Considering how much money Ehrhoff just got, I would think that a 4M would be enough for him and I think Ehrhoff would be that that D partner you're talking about Subban.

Erhoff is a nice player and all but what does he bring at this point that we don't already have in Subban, Beaulieu and Markov?

I personally think the defense is already far too expensive and there needs to be some serious money invested in the forward positions.

 

[Forlando]

Considering how much money Ehrhoff just got, I would think that a 4M would be enough for him and I think Ehrhoff would be that that D partner you're talking about Subban.

Buy out players don't see it that way, examples: Lecavalier and Briere...among others

 

[Ezpz]

I know I shouldn't be optimistic but our forward core going into next season is currently a tad bare. Can't help but feel we've got 2-3 signings lined up. Hopefully a Briere trade to Buffalo too since they need a lot of cap to hit the floor.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

I know I shouldn't be optimistic but our forward core going into next season is currently a tad bare. Can't help but feel we've got 2-3 signings lined up. Hopefully a Briere trade to Buffalo too since they need a lot of cap to hit the floor.

So many opportunities to make the team better this summer. Really hope MB gets **** done this summer.

 

[cap10bfl]

Gorges is expendable when you've got 4 dmen who are better. And that means actually in reality better not "Tinordi/Patteryn/Bealieu could easily fill that role full time based on nice highlight plays that they made in a lesser role..."

Gorges is a bottom pair defenseman playing top 4 minutes and getting paid like one... besides blocking shots, he brings absolutely nothing else to the table on the ice therefore not worth his pay or ice time given to him... he has a below average first pass, he is an ok skater, he is not big or physical nor does he have an nhl shot....glad MB finally see's this

He is what he is a PK specialist and nothing more than a 5th defenseman

 

[ECWHSWI]

Gorges is a bottom pair defenseman playing top 4 minutes and getting paid like one... besides blocking shots, he brings absolutely nothing else to the table on the ice therefore not worth his pay or ice time given to him... he has a below average first pass, he is an ok skater, he is not big or physical nor does he have an nhl shot....glad MB finally see's this

He is what he is a PK specialist and nothing more than a 5th defenseman

 

[BLONG7]

Good luck getting a top 4 dman for less than 3.9, especially in free agency. The cap is always going up, 3.9 is perfectly fine seeing as we gave Emelin 4.1 to hit people.

Emelin does more than Gorges that is measurable...we pay Gorges for his blocked shots, and some leadership intangibles...Emelin when given a shot will play the PP and actually score...
Ken Holland said, 1-2 seasons ago, you can't give a guy around 4m and get zero offense from him, whether it's a dman or a forward...I agree...Gorges has been a disappointment to me, since signing his big contract...

 

[Ezpz]

I don't think any team that's been to the finals in the last 5-6 years pays any pure defensive defenseman 4 mil. Regehr is the only one and he was sat most of the playoffs. Heck I don't think most of these teams even dress guys who are as incompetent at moving the puck as Gorges.

 

[Kriss E]

I'd settle for one.

Centre has been the biggest need for nearly 2 decades, still is.

If only we could get lucky and end up picking 3rd overall at a draft where a tall center with huge potential would be available to us...

 

[ECWHSWI]

I don't think any team that's been to the finals in the last 5-6 years pays any pure defensive defenseman 4 mil. Regehr is the only one and he was sat most of the playoffs. Heck I don't think most of these teams even dress guys who are as incompetent at moving the puck as Gorges.

Marc Staal last season.

 

[Ezpz]

Marc Staal last season.

Marc Staal isn't even remotely incompetent with the puck. He was even on the Rangers first PP unit before McDonagh outplayed him.

 

[Kriss E]

Considering how much money Ehrhoff just got, I would think that a 4M would be enough for him and I think Ehrhoff would be that that D partner you're talking about Subban.

Looking at Lecavalier and Briere, I see no reason for Ehrhoff to settle on anything low. Less cash than Emelin? I doubt it.

Erhoff is a nice player and all but what does he bring at this point that we don't already have in Subban, Beaulieu and Markov?

I personally think the defense is already far too expensive and there needs to be some serious money invested in the forward positions.

Beaulieu is a kid. We don't know just how he'll turn out and he still has to be sheltered.

And I don't get it, what would someone like Markov (so Boyle let's say but at a younger age) bring that we didn't already have? Who cares man. Having more guys like Markov is a good thing, not a bad thing. Guys that are good at defending and moving the puck up are always useful, no matter how many you have.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Marc Staal isn't even remotely incompetent with the puck. He was even on the Rangers first PP unit before McDonagh outplayed him.

= pure defensive d man
= 4 Mil per season
= SCF

and no, he's not good in transition or offensively.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Looking at Lecavalier and Briere, I see no reason for Ehrhoff to settle on anything low. Less cash than Emelin? I doubt it.



Beaulieu is a kid. We don't know just how he'll turn out and he still has to be sheltered.

And I don't get it, what would someone like Markov (so Boyle let's say but at a younger age) bring that we didn't already have? Who cares man. Having more guys like Markov is a good thing, not a bad thing. Guys that are good at defending and moving the puck up are always useful, no matter how many you have.

Yeah I know, it's more wishful thinking on my part. Maybe with Montreal's recent success, Ehrhoff could accept that kind of money to be on a winning team?

As for your second point, I couldn't have said it any better. Too many people consider Beaulieu as a sure fire top 4 D, it's not like more time in the AHL would hurt him. If he *****es about being sent down again, trade him.