Couldn't the Habs sign him to an elc and assign him yo Windsor?
Couldn't the Habs sign him to an elc and assign him yo Windsor?
Yeah, but since I'm assuming we all accept that (in terms of calibre of play/player) Swe. Junior < CHL < SHL < NHL, it would still represent a "step backwards" - enough so that the guy isn't exactly wrong about what he's implying. Doesn't mean the SHL is the best developmental step for everyone and any point along the curve, though.
I could see Bozon, maybeee Collberg. But its really tough for a kid like Hudon to bust, bc even if he never becomes an elite scorer his two way game will make him an NHL 3rd liner somewhere.
I'm starting to think he has a bigger potential than we think.
Before he was drafted Fosberg scored 17 points and 30 points this season.
Last season DLR had 12 points.
We need to see if he can improve significantly next season.
Couldn't the Habs sign him to an elc and assign him yo Windsor?
It would depend if he has an out clause in his contract with Leksand. Sounds like he doesn't so they hold the cards.
de la Rose on turbulence
"Salo has been clear"
In recent weeks there has been some bickering about Jacob de la Rose, where he mostly has been a passive observer when multiple parties clashed about his career. Now he tells hockeysverige.se about his own thoughts about everything.
- It was not that I wanted to leave Leksand because it would be bad there in any way, says Jacob de la Rose.
It has been speculated and discussed a lot around Leksand 18-year-old forward, Jacob de la Rose. Should he play next season SHL hockey with Leksand in Sweden or junior hockey in North America for the OHL team Windsor?
The answer was SHL and Leksand since he is under contract with the club. Many have painted a picture of a very disappointed de la Rose, but when hockeysverige.se got an interview with him after a round of golf at home in Arvika we instead met a Värmlander which is stoked for league games with Leksand.
Was it a big disappointment that you won't play for Windsor in the OHL?
- No, absolutely not. It was never that I wanted to leave Leksand because it would be bad there somehow. Montreal wanted me to go over there because it would be best for me. When they presented it, I thought that maybe it would be best for me to go over to try get a feel for the game (over there).
- It has, as I said, never been that I want to leave Leksand and now it'll be Leksand that I'll play for and I think it will be damn good there.
Does Montreal view it as more stimulating for your possible future games in the NHL to move over now and play the North American hockey instead of playing SHL?
- No, the quality is better here at home in the top division, but it is about getting the ice time also. Montreal was unsure how much I will get to play. They want me to play these so-called major minutes. In Windsor, I would probably play all powerplay, penalty kill and all other major minutes there.
- Now I'll do everything I can to fight for a place in Leksand, but it's not that I demand (a certain amount of) time or something like that. Ice time is deserved, but I obviously have to work as hard as I can to get to play as much as possible.
Swede supporting Leksand here. From my perspective, some of the comments here (like "that is so ****ing greasy...those *******s" and "How about the Habs decide where he'll develop better? Both Windsor and Leksand will only have him in the short term and are biased...") are quite ignorant.
The fact that NHL-teams can snatch players who are under contract without buy-out clauses for a low standardised price is bad enough (like Michael Raffl's move from Leksand to Flyers earlier this summer). When we start to surrender players under contract to junior leagues without getting to name a price, well that would be the day we might as well stop using contracts altogether and just let players represent the team they feel like from day to day. The SHL is not a North American minor league.
In Sweden, teams are clubs, not franchises. There is no such lottery event like the NHL-draft that randomly decides what team a player ends up in. Instead, all clubs have their own junior teams all the way down to about age 6 and players are brought up in this system so we have a lot of local talent representing their respective team. Jacob de la Rose has been in Leksand since age 15 and Filip Forsberg for example has represented Leksand his whole life. Naturally, it is not in the interrest of the club to spend time and money on a player (including that spent on the majority that don't make it to a pro level), if when he finally reaches age and skill enough to contribute to the club we have to release him to CHL for an unsignificant sum of money just because "it's better for the Montreal Canadiens". We couldn't care less about the Montreal Canadiens (no offense).
To us, he's not here "in the short term". He is bred here and he is one of us. That said, staying in the SHL will probably be better than playing in OHL as it is a much better league. Even if he gets less ice time than expected it won't be THAT much worse that you need to worry. There are also the alternatives here to give him ice time with Leksand's U-20 team or let him play with a Hockeyallsvenskan team on a loan spell for a shorter or longer period. When people say things like "He's going to learn absolutely nothing about physical play by playing in Sweden" I wonder if they actually have seen any Swedish hockey or if they take any prejudice they stumble over for granted.
Montreal will get him for a handful of dollars in a year if they want to, but for now he is our player and we decide. If this upsets anyone, try to look at the situation from this side of the pond.
Swede supporting Leksand here. From my perspective, some of the comments here (like "that is so ****ing greasy...those *******s" and "How about the Habs decide where he'll develop better? Both Windsor and Leksand will only have him in the short term and are biased...") are quite ignorant.
The fact that NHL-teams can snatch players who are under contract without buy-out clauses for a low standardised price is bad enough (like Michael Raffl's move from Leksand to Flyers earlier this summer). When we start to surrender players under contract to junior leagues without getting to name a price, well that would be the day we might as well stop using contracts altogether and just let players represent the team they feel like from day to day. The SHL is not a North American minor league.
In Sweden, teams are clubs, not franchises. There is no such lottery event like the NHL-draft that randomly decides what team a player ends up in. Instead, all clubs have their own junior teams all the way down to about age 6 and players are brought up in this system so we have a lot of local talent representing their respective team. Jacob de la Rose has been in Leksand since age 15 and Filip Forsberg for example has represented Leksand his whole life. Naturally, it is not in the interrest of the club to spend time and money on a player (including that spent on the majority that don't make it to a pro level), if when he finally reaches age and skill enough to contribute to the club we have to release him to CHL for an unsignificant sum of money just because "it's better for the Montreal Canadiens". We couldn't care less about the Montreal Canadiens (no offense).
To us, he's not here "in the short term". He is bred here and he is one of us. That said, staying in the SHL will probably be better than playing in OHL as it is a much better league. Even if he gets less ice time than expected it won't be THAT much worse that you need to worry. There are also the alternatives here to give him ice time with Leksand's U-20 team or let him play with a Hockeyallsvenskan team on a loan spell for a shorter or longer period. When people say things like "He's going to learn absolutely nothing about physical play by playing in Sweden" I wonder if they actually have seen any Swedish hockey or if they take any prejudice they stumble over for granted.
Montreal will get him for a handful of dollars in a year if they want to, but for now he is our player and we decide. If this upsets anyone, try to look at the situation from this side of the pond.
that is so ****ing greasy...those *******s....nothing is better for a junior players development than to play in the best junior league in the world....those effing
When the kid says himself that he wants to come play in the CHL, that's the problem when you retains his rights. The kid wants out.
I posted an interview with him higher up but it popped up after your post due to it being moderated so maybe you missed it. Take a look.When the kid says himself that he wants to come play in the CHL, that's the problem when you retains his rights. The kid wants out.
Any promise of Tommy Salo or Leksand that Jacob de la Rose would be released to Windsor next season is he also unaware of, of natural causes.
- I have no idea about that because it's Windsor, Montreal, my agent and Tommy Salo who talked about it. I have no idea what has or has not been said.
How has the dialogue between you and Leksand's GM, Tommy Salo, been during this time?
- There is absolutely no ambiguity there. We have talked to each other for all this time and he has been clear that he wanted to keep me in Leksand. He also believes that I will have an important role on the team and that it's best for my development is to stay in Leksand. It's just to respect that for me because I have a contract with Leksand. It doesn't disappoint me, and I'll keep fighting for Leksand and I think that it will be a really great time.
What have the Montreal Canadians said about all this whole thing?
- I have spoken with Christer Rockström, Montreal's Swedish scout, and he too believes it will be very good to play in Leksand for me.
I posted an interview with him higher up but it popped up after your post due to it being moderated so maybe you missed it. Take a look.
He's under contract. It would nice to see him take a first line role in the CHL, sure, but are you suddenly supporting the new KHL philosophy that it's okay to undermine contracts if another team wants you?
Swede supporting Leksand here. From my perspective, some of the comments here (like "that is so ****ing greasy...those *******s" and "How about the Habs decide where he'll develop better? Both Windsor and Leksand will only have him in the short term and are biased...") are quite ignorant.
The fact that NHL-teams can snatch players who are under contract without buy-out clauses for a low standardised price is bad enough (like Michael Raffl's move from Leksand to Flyers earlier this summer). When we start to surrender players under contract to junior leagues without getting to name a price, well that would be the day we might as well stop using contracts altogether and just let players represent the team they feel like from day to day. The SHL is not a North American minor league.
In Sweden, teams are clubs, not franchises. There is no such lottery event like the NHL-draft that randomly decides what team a player ends up in. Instead, all clubs have their own junior teams all the way down to about age 6 and players are brought up in this system so we have a lot of local talent representing their respective team. Jacob de la Rose has been in Leksand since age 15 and Filip Forsberg for example has represented Leksand his whole life. Naturally, it is not in the interrest of the club to spend time and money on a player (including that spent on the majority that don't make it to a pro level), if when he finally reaches age and skill enough to contribute to the club we have to release him to CHL for an unsignificant sum of money just because "it's better for the Montreal Canadiens". We couldn't care less about the Montreal Canadiens (no offense).
To us, he's not here "in the short term". He is bred here and he is one of us. That said, staying in the SHL will probably be better than playing in OHL as it is a much better league. Even if he gets less ice time than expected it won't be THAT much worse that you need to worry. There are also the alternatives here to give him ice time with Leksand's U-20 team or let him play with a Hockeyallsvenskan team on a loan spell for a shorter or longer period. When people say things like "He's going to learn absolutely nothing about physical play by playing in Sweden" I wonder if they actually have seen any Swedish hockey or if they take any prejudice they stumble over for granted.
Montreal will get him for a handful of dollars in a year if they want to, but for now he is our player and we decide. If this upsets anyone, try to look at the situation from this side of the pond.
When the kid says himself that he wants to come play in the CHL, that's the problem when you retains his rights. The kid wants out.
There was more to that interview that was relevant to this whole ordeal so I'm posting that too:
I said he joined Leksand at 15 years old, but as I also described we do have youth teams all the way to ~age 6. JDLR started playing in our U-16 and U-18 teams at that point. His first senior contract was signed before last season and it is a 2-year deal.But if he's a 15 year old brought into a club, and as that poster said there are a lot of players whose rights are owned long before that time, how is the contract fair? He wasn't able to make a sensible decision at that young age, so when he has an opportunity to leave after he's drafted, should he not have that right?
If DLR gets a big role on his team, chances are the team gets to keep him longer since the Habs don't have to worry about poor development. I doubt they would risk losing him after 1 year by under-utilizing him. Put him in the top 6 with a lot of icetime and Habs likely don't care whether he goes to the OHL or not.
But of course. You look at your side, we look at ours. Not that it's that earth shattering. But the thing is, it's not like this kid will be in Sweden for the remainder of his career. We are talking about 1 year where I can't wait to see the icetime he'll get. But on our side, it's all about development of OUR player. The only concern is icetime. That's all. He gets it in Sweden, I prefer for him to stick over there. He doesn't, I would have wished he would have come over.
I said he joined Leksand at 15 years old, but as I also described we do have youth teams all the way to ~age 6. JDLR started playing in our U-16 and U-18 teams at that point. His first senior contract was signed before last season and it is a 2-year deal.
The point is he isn't your player yet. On some people here it sounds like you believe that Leksand is obligated to act as to make JDLR as good a player as possible for when the Habs decide to bring him over. He won't be put on a 1st or 2nd line to improve for you, he will be put there if he earns it and it is quite unlikely. I understand that you wish that things are maximised for his development, but you can't demand it and you do not have a case if it doesn't happen.
Leksand's business is winning hockey games in Sweden and using our players as we see fit to achieve this. That include JDLR being everywhere from 1st line to outside the team depending on how he performs. Leksand's business is not developing prospects for the NHL. A lot of Swedish hockey fans are not happy with the deal the Swedish Hockey Association has with the NHL where you pretty much can snatch whoever whenever for a relatively small sum as it is undermining the ambition for SHL and its teams to be internationally competitive and attractive.
I guess the economic side of things also do play a small role in this. The deal between Sweden and NHL is that the clubs a player has represented the last four years are getting payed a quarter of the total sum per season he represented them. If JDLR stays one more year with us we will get 4/4 if this money but if he left now we'd only get 3/4 as he has only been here for three seasons to this date. This is only a minor reason though I'd say and definitely not at the core of the issue.