Post-Game Talk: Habs def. Canucks - 6-2 (Beagle, Gaudette)

[LordBacon]

He said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. He was talking about the turnovers but it’s basically his coaching strategy. He’s burying himself.

Same can be said about jb fans watching the same story for the last 6 years and still expects different result

 

[LordBacon]

This in spades. Gaudette is possibly the worst Hobey Baker award winner ever to hit the NHL. How the hell did he win it?

Celly hard

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Should be the end of the Chatfield experiment

Chatfield, Juolevi, etc are not NHL Dmen. Unfortunately we dont have anyone to replace them that are. NS88 has been a huge disappointment

 

[krutovsdonut]

glad i had to work late. yikes.

 

[EpochLink]

He isnt though, hobey baker winners who have good NHL careers are rarer

Vancouvers own Paul Kariya won it and is now in the hall of fame. Same goes for Pitt Meadows favourite son, Brendan Morrison ( no hall of fame, good NHL career )

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Tanev with a beauty goal against Hellebuyck tonight.

Yeah But Toffoli scored on us again too so it cancels it out

 

[Dab]

Have you ever seen the list of Hobey Baker winners?

Good point. Doesn’t change the fact that Adam Gaudette wouldn’t be close to an everyday nhl player on 28 other teams

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Virtanen, Guadette can both get waived. Useless players that hurt the team

 

[Grumbler]

Wow what a joke we are...very nice response to that embarrassment a few games ago.

 

[CherryToke]

Prediction time. There will be a tank thread before we play the Jets again

 

[orcatown]

Terrible. Looked to me like Montreal took their foot of the gas or otherwise it might well have hit double figures. So many of out so-called main line players were awful. Hard to remember when the turnovers were so grievous and so repeated.

Good

Motte - no matter the score continues to stay with the system and continues to work. Him and Beagle played well in circumstances were much of the rest of the team was falling apart

Virtanen - created some chances and went to the body. Probably his best game of the season. Tailed off some as the game went on but overall solid effort

Bad

Schmidt - to this point not as good as Tanev was last year. Some bad turnovers and not getting to a position where he can make good up ice passes. Looks very limited offensively

Myers - Stork was back on his heels and doing a lot of stick waving. Habs skating had him backed right off. When he did rush just took puck into traffic creating a mess.

Benn - too slow in every aspect of the game. Lot of stick work and never seemed to get on the body to eliminate players. Couldn't get up ice to support the play. In games like this Benn looks done as NHL player

Hughes - real bad in his end. Wasn't picking people up and was doing a lot of standing and watching. Montreal just sifted right through him (like on the Petry tap in goal) and he was left chasing people to his net. Also, throwing the puck around the boards into traffic producing turnovers. Having a very rough time in his own end.

Chatfield - like his play in Utica. Play decently for awhile but then make the huge turnover leading to a critical goal against. Totally out of sync with Edler and other defensive partners leading to numerous breakaways for Montreal. His problems in transition were fully exhibited in this game. One caveat is that, given all the breakdowns and poor play of the forwards, might be expected that a rookie like Chatfield starts to breakdown badly. Likely we see Joulevi next game

Horvat - AWOL when the game was still a contest. Better in the third but basically couldn't create any offense despite some good work by Hoglander.

Pettersson - falling down all over the place and weak defensively. Looked lost at times

Boeser - made some dreadful passes early in the game which screwed up the PP and led to chances against.

Miller - maybe his worst game as a Canuck. So many errant passes and often falling behind the play. Did make a better effort to get back on defense as the game went on but he was often left chasing the game. Line was really a mess and he contributed to that.

Holtby - little unfair but he should have some of those goals. As it was, he did make some good saves and maybe expecting too much out of goalies.

Real Bad

Gaudette - simply not an NHL player. Not smooth enough or good enough on his skates. Gets off balance on his pivots and loses speed causing him to fall out the play. Isn't good enough one on one to get by his check or strong enough to win board battles. Try is there but the talent isn't. Should be in the AHL. Winning the Hobey doesn't guarantee you can make it in the NHL

Canuck obviously have to tighten up their defense if they are going to compete in the Division and you have to wonder whether they have personnel to this.

 

[Svencouver]

Hm. Wonder whos fault this could be

 

[TraderJim]

Prediction time. There will be a tank thread before we play the Jets again

There already have been but they get deleted.

 

[EpochLink]

Hm. Wonder whos fault this could be

Bertuzzi, Naslund, Ohlund, Luongo, Morrison, Klatt, Baron, Sopel..

 

[4Twenty]

The crazy thing with the shot totals is that we've been behind in most games so this isn't some sort of score effects thing.

It's also a total continuation of last year's playoffs where we were outshot 13 times in a row to close out the bubble. Only difference is that we were getting unsustainably good goaltending at that point.

You’ll be glad to know Holtby called shot quantity a useless stat tonight.

 

[mouz135]

Can we f***ing fire Benning already? Jesus that game was an abomination like the others

 

[Blue and Green]

He isnt though, hobey baker winners who have good NHL careers are rarer

Hobey Baker winners who were drafted, which is more than half of them, average about 500 NHL regular season games which is quite good. It's the undrafted guys who've struggled and average about 50 NHL games. I broke down the numbers three years ago in Gaudette's main board prospect thread. Scroll down a few posts on this page if you want the details.

C Adam Gaudette - Northeastern University, NCAA (2015, 149th, VAN)

 

[Fatass]

You’ll be glad to know Holtby called shot quantity a useless stat tonight.

Is “Green Speak” infecting the common sense of our players now?

 

[VNCVR]

Terrible. Looked to me like Montreal took their foot of the gas or otherwise it might well have hit double figures. So many of out so-called main line players were awful. Hard to remember when the turnovers were so grievous and so repeated.

Good

Virtanen - created some chances and went to the body. Probably his best game of the season. Tailed off some as the game went on but overall solid effort

Only in response to being hit hard. So he played hard back for a little bit. His own sense of revenge is the only thing to get him motivated for a short bit

 

[LordBacon]

Hobey Baker winners who were drafted, which is more than half of them, average about 500 NHL regular season games which is quite good. It's the undrafted guys who've struggled and average about 50 NHL games. I broke down the numbers three years ago in Gaudette's main board prospect thread. Scroll down a few posts on this page if you want the details.

C Adam Gaudette - Northeastern University, NCAA (2015, 149th, VAN)

Funny we had Ben hutton too and he’s a boarder line nhl player too. Just our luck

 

[VNCVR]

I wonder what would be the worst shots per game a team has allowed over the course of a year in the last decade or so

 

[Bad Goalie]

You’ll be glad to know Holtby called shot quantity a useless stat tonight.

It's very rare to hear a goalie give his team the Miller callout. They usually defend them with some sort of rationalization like "They let me see all the shots.", "All the shots were from the outside", They worked real hard and sometimes things just don't go your way." Holtby has been around the block. This isn't his first rodeo. He's not going to throw the guys under the bus any more than he expects to hear them sell him out. It's just not how TEAMS work.

 

[Hit the post]

Hobey Baker winners who were drafted, which is more than half of them, average about 500 NHL regular season games which is quite good. It's the undrafted guys who've struggled and average about 50 NHL games. I broke down the numbers three years ago in Gaudette's main board prospect thread. Scroll down a few posts on this page if you want the details.

C Adam Gaudette - Northeastern University, NCAA (2015, 149th, VAN)

(what are the odds of a team that goes up 2-0 in a Stanley Cup Finals? )

 

[Seattle Totems]

Who's up for 7 more years of this crap?

 

[MS]

You’ll be glad to know Holtby called shot quantity a useless stat tonight.

It's like a club mantra right now. Except it pretty clearly isn't.

19-20 ranking in shots against :

1. Philadelphia - league position 6th
2. Carolina - 11th
3. Pittsburgh - 7th
4. LA - 28th
5. Vegas - 8th
6. Washington - 5th
7. Columbus - 12th
8. St. Louis - 2nd
9. Boston - 1st
10. Minnesota - 21st

21. NJ - 26th
22. Arizona - 22nd
23. Calgary - 16th
24. Edmonton - 9th
25. Anaheim - 27th
26. Vancouver - 20th
27. Winnipeg - 15th
28. Detroit - 30th
29. NYR - 17th
30. Ottawa - 31st
31. Chicago - 23rd

Like, it's hard to find a stat that has a stronger correlation to success than limiting SOG.