Speculation: Gustafsson

[AmericanDream]

does a player on LTIR need to be protected as well if they have a NMC? my understanding is ALL players on a NMC have to be protected, so even if Seabs went on LTIR- does he still need to be protected as well??

 

[ColdSteel2]

does a player on LTIR need to be protected as well if they have a NMC? my understanding is ALL players on a NMC have to be protected, so even if Seabs went on LTIR- does he still need to be protected as well??

With Vegas, it was already known Hossa would be out for the season and he still had to be protected.

 

[AmericanDream]

With Vegas, it was already known Hossa would be out for the season and he still had to be protected.

yep, that is what I remembered as well, so Seabs going on LTIR would do us no good come expansion draft time...blah

 

[BobbyJet]

The thought is they could lose him (Murphy) for nothing in the expansion draft.

I see. Was not thinking that far ahead. How much of a concern is losing Murph in expansion draft?

 

[AmericanDream]

I see. Was not thinking that far ahead. How much of a concern is losing Murph in expansion draft?

very real

 

[Hawkaholic]

I see. Was not thinking that far ahead. How much of a concern is losing Murph in expansion draft?

Hawks can protect 3 Dmen. (assuming they protect 7 forwards)

Keith and Seabs have NMC so they are auto protected unless they waive it or are traded.
Joker seems like the obvious candidate to be protected because he is young and probably has the highest potential out of the D left.

That leaves Forsling, Gus, and Murphy all exposed in the expansion draft.
Your only hope is that Keith and Seabs are traded, or they both waive their NMC for the draft knowing they won't be picked.

 

[Pez68]

Every team has to deal with this, except the teams with players nobody wants.... If there are three guys on defense that the Hawks could possibly lose in an expansion draft...that's a good thing. It means they have three guys worth taking.... You can't worry about that right now.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Every team has to deal with this, except the teams with players nobody wants.... If there are three guys on defense that the Hawks could possibly lose in an expansion draft...that's a good thing. It means they have three guys worth taking.... You can't worry about that right now.

Why are people so scared of the expansion draft that they want to trade guys now?

Stop giving out NMCs, and we’ll be fine.

 

[bwana63]

Hawks can protect 3 Dmen. (assuming they protect 7 forwards)

Keith and Seabs have NMC so they are auto protected unless they waive it or are traded.
Joker seems like the obvious candidate to be protected because he is young and probably has the highest potential out of the D left.

That leaves Forsling, Gus, and Murphy all exposed in the expansion draft.
Your only hope is that Keith and Seabs are traded, or they both waive their NMC for the draft knowing they won't be picked.

Good summation. Hawks are between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Good summation. Hawks are between a rock and a hard place.

This is why you trade Gustafsson either now or in the Summer. You also have to consider trading Murphy or Jokiharju for a forward on an ELC that will be exempt. I really don't want to lose either Joki or Murph, but this is part of paying the piper for the 3 cups, so I can live with it.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Talking about the expansion draft is premature. Seattle will likely do what Vegas did and take assets to not take certain players. Its too far out imo to start taking guys off the current roster in preparation.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Talking about the expansion draft is premature. Seattle will likely do what Vegas did and take assets to not take certain players. Its too far out imo to start taking guys off the current roster in preparation.

True. But if Q shows up there, the preparation can begin.

 

[ClydeLee]

Why are people so scared of the expansion draft that they want to trade guys now?

Stop giving out NMCs, and we’ll be fine.

Except that not certain. Anaheim and Minnesota weren't great talent filled teams but because they waited too long or didnt plan wisely they both had to give up former 1st rounders who are a couple of the best players on Vegas. And other teams had to give up 1sts.

I dont think you need to make the moves this year but I dont see how it's fine is the method to want. A team that is set up well can take advantage of the expansion draft for their betterment. That's what you should want the hawks outcome to be.

To be able to use it to shed Seabrook if theres no compliance buyout or drop some capspace they can use better. Which in 2 years might be the case with Murphy so I have no worry of his openness even though hes basically the top defenive player currently.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Except that not certain. Anaheim and Minnesota weren't great talent filled teams but because they waited too long or didnt plan wisely they both had to give up former 1st rounders who are a couple of the best players on Vegas. And other teams had to give up 1sts.

I dont think you need to make the moves this year but I dont see how it's fine is the method to want. A team that is set up well can take advantage of the expansion draft for their betterment. That's what you should want the hawks outcome to be.

To be able to use it to shed Seabrook if theres no compliance buyout or drop some capspace they can use better. Which in 2 years might be the case with Murphy so I have no worry of his openness even though hes basically the top defenive player currently.

So what’s the solution? Trade all your average to above average guys who you can’t protect for picks, or let Seattle take one of them?

In one scenario you lose multiple guys but get futures that may or may not help in years, in another you’re losing one guy straight up and keeping several other depth pieces

 

[ClydeLee]

So what’s the solution? Trade all your average to above average guys who you can’t protect for picks, or let Seattle take one of them?

In one scenario you lose multiple guys but get futures that may or may not help in years, in another you’re losing one guy straight up and keeping several other depth pieces

I dont have worry losing an above average piece. Unless one of the current crop of D from Forsling, Dahlstrom, Kuku, or Carlsson somehow shine theres not a worry of that with the current held crops.

Mainly the current outlook concern is if Gus stays productive and gets an extension, it's very concerning if nothing is done about Keith or Seabs entering that 20-21 season. And trading a 1st or recent high draft pick to keep Gus and Joker protected isn't fine. Its detrimental. The only way a piece like that should go is if it is to remove Seabrook.

I guess you can just say oh extend but give Gus no Ntc or nmc and lose him. That could be fine and by that point if Boqvist or Mitchell arent ready the teams boned anyway

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I dont have worry losing an above average piece. Unless one of the current crop of D from Forsling, Dahlstrom, Kuku, or Carlsson somehow shine theres not a worry of that with the current held crops.

Mainly the current outlook concern is if Gus stays productive and gets an extension, it's very concerning if nothing is done about Keith or Seabs entering that 20-21 season. And trading a 1st or recent high draft pick to keep Gus and Joker protected isn't fine. Its detrimental. The only way a piece like that should go is if it is to remove Seabrook.

I guess you can just say oh extend but give Gus no Ntc or nmc and lose him. That could be fine and by that point if Boqvist or Mitchell arent ready the teams boned anyway

Gotcha, I get what you mean. Ya, one of Keith or Seabrook will need to be moved by the expansion draft in order to protect Gus and Joki.

Murphy, Forsling, Koekkoek, etc will end up being exposed

 

[Hawkaholic]

yep, that is what I remembered as well, so Seabs going on LTIR would do us no good come expansion draft time...blah

I believe Horton was exempt from the whole process. I could be wrong, but seem to remember that there were a few LTIR players that were excluded. I believe Horton and Clarkson were 2 of them.

 

[JaegerDice]

I vote we keep the guy making 1.2mil who's in the top 20 in points from dmen.

But that's just me.

 

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Gus is everything we wanted Leddy to be. Except he's doing it much quicker.

He's just below core-level, IMO. Who knows, maybe he becomes a legit top pairing guy? I wouldn't rule it out, but i wouldn't count on it either.

 

[JaegerDice]

Gus is everything we wanted Leddy to be. Except he's doing it much quicker.

He's just below core-level, IMO. Who knows, maybe he becomes a legit top pairing guy? I wouldn't rule it out, but i wouldn't count on it either.

I highly doubt he ever becomes a top pair guy. If he gets better defensively, I could see him being a #4.

More than likely he's a 3rd pair guy and PP specialist.

I'm actually kind of surprised more teams don't have PP QBs on their 3rd pair. Guys that aren't good enough defensively to face top competition or log huge minutes 5v5 or on the PK, but can contribute on the PP and bum-slay. Would help to spread out minutes and keep the top guys fresh.

 

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I highly doubt he ever becomes a top pair guy. If he gets better defensively, I could see him being a #4.

More than likely he's a 3rd pair guy and PP specialist.

I'm actually kind of surprised more teams don't have PP QBs on their 3rd pair. Guys that aren't good enough defensively to face top competition or log huge minutes 5v5 or on the PK, but can contribute on the PP and bum-slay. Would help to spread out minutes and keep the top guys fresh.

I agree with you, in a pessimistic sense. I think Gus has more defensive and offensive potential than a 3rd pairing pp specialist. But that's just me.

 

[ClydeLee]

Teams dont do that because if a guy is a good enough PP specialist he's likely to be producing good offense 5on5 too.

Your tweener could be PP specialists but cant produce 5on5 coulda be 3rd pairing guys are Clendenning types. And heck he might help the dreadful Bluejackets PP this season but he's toiling with their ahl club.

 

[JaegerDice]

Teams dont do that because if a guy is a good enough PP specialist he's likely to be producing good offense 5on5 too.

Your tweener could be PP specialists but cant produce 5on5 coulda be 3rd pairing guys are Clendenning types. And heck he might help the dreadful Bluejackets PP this season but he's toiling with their ahl club.

I don't agree with that. PP and 5v5 are very different. Look at a guy like Keith, who's been pretty good offensively 5v5 for most of his career, but simply not very good at QBing the PP.

The inverse can be true to. A guy can be better at seeing the ice and using the extra space, and working within the system 5v4 than they are with less time and space and more pressure in 5v5 situations.

 

[Enyaw]

Gus is a -11 Dman this year ..... he just isnt very good as a dman .......but he IS very good offensively

He SHOULD be a 3rd pair dman who is a PP specialist

Can the Hawks afford to keep Gus and develop other quality dman to be in the 1st and 2nd pair? ...... Yes

I would keep him but use him as a PP specialist and 3rd pair

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Do you think Gustafsson’s offensive ability is close to John Carlson’s?