Damisoph
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3 of top 4 however.
I guess a B, B+, I know nothing about these players other than seeing Marner a handful of times on TV.
Grading the draft
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3 of top 4 however.
I guess a B, B+, I know nothing about these players other than seeing Marner a handful of times on TV.
McMatthews
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Anyone else hoping we can Sign Godla?
My one issue is I believe heading into a rebuild we need to draft a goalie late every year or every other year. Just increase your odds of having that Goaltender for when you're ready to win
My one issue is I believe heading into a rebuild we need to draft a goalie late every year or every other year. Just increase your odds of having that Goaltender for when you're ready to win
Kamiccolo
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Well we have Bernier and Reimer and some great potential in goal on the marlies.
Goalies are easy to get. Sign one after the draft for free or trade a 2nd for an up and coming goalie instead of going for the established ones.
Rare Jewel
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I really like emphasis talent. Dermott pick was a bit of a surprise, But it's still a solid pick. There's nothing for me to really criticize at this point. Even the trade we pulled off was very good one as well.
So good day as a whole.
I really like emphasis talent. Dermott pick was a bit of a surprise, But it's still a solid pick. There's nothing for me to really criticize at this point. Even the trade we pulled off was very good one as well.
So good day as a whole.
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Mitchell Marner- B+
I prefer Hanifin, but it was at least the second best option.
Travis Dermott- B-
Thought he should have went in the late 2nd, but not awful in the early 2nd. He's a LHD and a little bit undersized. LHD count: 1
Jeremy Bracco- A
Undersized RW (so one thing we didn't need and a major risk), but he was suppose to go early 2nd. Essentially cancels out Dermott, so overall it's good.
Andrew Nielsen- C
Reached for this guy, and he's a LHD. Plus his upside isn't significant. We need to move on from MacWilliam, Knodel and Finn at this rate. LHD Count: 2
Martins Dzierkals- C
When was the last time we picked a Latvian? Besides, he doesn't fill a major need, he's a major reach like Nielsen and he's small.
Jesper Lindgren- A
He's excellent value in the 4th round (he had 2nd round value), but he's undersized. At least he's a RHD and can maybe adapt to play with Rielly.
Dmytro Timashov- B+
Undersized, but dynamic. I guess we went boom or bust like Bracco. We have plenty of good wingers, but like Bracco, this is a guy we can probably stash for like 5 years and hopefully he can grow a little bit.
Stephen Desrochers: A
He's excellent sized, played on a winning team, and is excellent value (3rd round). Only thing is that he's a LHD. I'm sure if I did some research, I'd find that some of these LHD play on the switch side like MacWilliam and Knodel do, but that's the only thing keeping him from an A+. It's almost like Lindgren and Desrochers should have swapped positions with Dzierkals and Nielsen. It would have made far more sense. LHD Count: 3
Nikita Korostelev: A+
Easily the best value pick out of the Leafs picks. This guy has high upside, and was even considered in the 1st round by some. 7th round is a steal. He's big, and it doesn't even matter that he goes to a cluttered RW pool. Getting a top 3 round talent in the 7th round is an A+ every time.
Marincin Trade: A
107 and Ross is probably worth less than Marincin, so now we can rest easy knowing we got excellent value out of Brad Ross. But once again, a LHD. LHD Count: 4
Overall, I'd give it like an A-/B+. We only reached like 2.5 times, but got a bunch of good value picks.
I prefer Hanifin, but it was at least the second best option.
Travis Dermott- B-
Thought he should have went in the late 2nd, but not awful in the early 2nd. He's a LHD and a little bit undersized. LHD count: 1
Jeremy Bracco- A
Undersized RW (so one thing we didn't need and a major risk), but he was suppose to go early 2nd. Essentially cancels out Dermott, so overall it's good.
Andrew Nielsen- C
Reached for this guy, and he's a LHD. Plus his upside isn't significant. We need to move on from MacWilliam, Knodel and Finn at this rate. LHD Count: 2
Martins Dzierkals- C
When was the last time we picked a Latvian? Besides, he doesn't fill a major need, he's a major reach like Nielsen and he's small.
Jesper Lindgren- A
He's excellent value in the 4th round (he had 2nd round value), but he's undersized. At least he's a RHD and can maybe adapt to play with Rielly.
Dmytro Timashov- B+
Undersized, but dynamic. I guess we went boom or bust like Bracco. We have plenty of good wingers, but like Bracco, this is a guy we can probably stash for like 5 years and hopefully he can grow a little bit.
Stephen Desrochers: A
He's excellent sized, played on a winning team, and is excellent value (3rd round). Only thing is that he's a LHD. I'm sure if I did some research, I'd find that some of these LHD play on the switch side like MacWilliam and Knodel do, but that's the only thing keeping him from an A+. It's almost like Lindgren and Desrochers should have swapped positions with Dzierkals and Nielsen. It would have made far more sense. LHD Count: 3
Nikita Korostelev: A+
Easily the best value pick out of the Leafs picks. This guy has high upside, and was even considered in the 1st round by some. 7th round is a steal. He's big, and it doesn't even matter that he goes to a cluttered RW pool. Getting a top 3 round talent in the 7th round is an A+ every time.
Marincin Trade: A
107 and Ross is probably worth less than Marincin, so now we can rest easy knowing we got excellent value out of Brad Ross. But once again, a LHD. LHD Count: 4
Overall, I'd give it like an A-/B+. We only reached like 2.5 times, but got a bunch of good value picks.
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Only one swede and 1 from the russian league and the rest from the OHL. You can tell this was all Hunter picking.
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I'm no scout or expert so I won't pretend I really know much. I like this draft a lot other than the two 3rd rounders, but again what do I know?
One thing I'll say is I feel more comfortable with this crop than last year. Nylander, Valiev and Engvall were great, but Piccinich, Vesey and Joshua are picks I don't have much confidence in as those types have never really worked for us. We avoided those picks this year.
One thing I'll say is I feel more comfortable with this crop than last year. Nylander, Valiev and Engvall were great, but Piccinich, Vesey and Joshua are picks I don't have much confidence in as those types have never really worked for us. We avoided those picks this year.
Menzinger
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A - they wanted skill and they get boatloads of it. Lots of potential steals with the later picks as well.
tzinc
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just when I thought the Leafs were finally doing all the right things
they start trading down and this is a terrible approach
every time you move down in the draft the odds of getting a quality player go down
i would rather have a pick in round one (even at the end of round one) then two round two picks and then they traded down again
this is not the nfl
PS the emphasis on the OHL is as bad as the Burke's emphasis on Americans and Truculence - you need to cast your net far and wide - putting so much emphasis on the OHL simply will not pan out - talent is everywhere now
they start trading down and this is a terrible approach
every time you move down in the draft the odds of getting a quality player go down
i would rather have a pick in round one (even at the end of round one) then two round two picks and then they traded down again
this is not the nfl
PS the emphasis on the OHL is as bad as the Burke's emphasis on Americans and Truculence - you need to cast your net far and wide - putting so much emphasis on the OHL simply will not pan out - talent is everywhere now
MiniMoose
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I'd give the drafting a solid A. Never been so confident in our picks in a long while. Bit disappointed in the lack of trades to get rid of our long contracts but it'll come soon
Overall very pleased, so current feeling is an A. That's mainly based off our philosophy of going after high potential picks with excellent character. Hard to tell how good the picks are until a few years down the line. (Worth considering in perception of the draft that teams picking up the fallers are often ranked winners based on that; I recall the Canucks being proclaimed winners over both Jordan Schroeder and Hunter Shinkaruk, for example.)
Not super thrilled about the other lack of moves, but given the upcoming bonuses and some people actually caring about money and not just cap hits, I can see how there might be a better market in a week. And just looking at the Bruins, I rather have no moves than those moves...
Not super thrilled about the other lack of moves, but given the upcoming bonuses and some people actually caring about money and not just cap hits, I can see how there might be a better market in a week. And just looking at the Bruins, I rather have no moves than those moves...
I won't assign a pointless letter but I'll say that it feels more positive than previous drafts.
Nithoniniel
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The way I see it, you don't include trades in a draft rating as they are on completely different time-frames. It just doesn't make sense.
The draft itself is a solid A for me. I can't remember being this happy about a draft since I started following them properly.
1) Pretty much every reputable site states that there's not a lot of difference between late 1st and 3rd round this year.
2) Our chances of getting a quality NHL player actually increased with the moves based on historical value, with the bonus of potentially getting more than one.
3) The actual picks made after moving down was great. Dermott was mentioned pre-draft as a potential steal, Bracco was a 1st rounder for many and Nielsen seem decent and intriguing.
The draft itself is a solid A for me. I can't remember being this happy about a draft since I started following them properly.
just when I thought the Leafs were finally doing all the right things
they start trading down and this is a terrible approach
every time you move down in the draft the odds of getting a quality player go down
i would rather have a pick in round one (even at the end of round one) then two round two picks and then they traded down again
this is not the nfl
PS the emphasis on the OHL is as bad as the Burke's emphasis on Americans and Truculence - you need to cast your net far and wide - putting so much emphasis on the OHL simply will not pan out - talent is everywhere now
1) Pretty much every reputable site states that there's not a lot of difference between late 1st and 3rd round this year.
2) Our chances of getting a quality NHL player actually increased with the moves based on historical value, with the bonus of potentially getting more than one.
3) The actual picks made after moving down was great. Dermott was mentioned pre-draft as a potential steal, Bracco was a 1st rounder for many and Nielsen seem decent and intriguing.
slozo
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Without having almost any knowledge of these guys, I give the draft an A-.
It's clear we have a direction - skill, and hockey smarts, and an ability to over-achieve. No size bias, I am so glad that is gone, although clearly not from many Leafers on here. From player descriptions, those later round guys were all drafted not on where they are now, but on possibility of reaching a high potential, and that potential being a very good NHL piece. You can draft guys like Crouse who are NHL ready, but have him turn out to be simply a bruising 3rd liner getting 12 minutes a night. Conversely, and the direction that I saw, you can take some fliers in the late rounds, and find a couple of kids who turn into the Anton Stralmans or Kucherovs of the NHL. Swing for the fences, and sure, you will strike out a fair bit - but with your successes, you'll actually have some real good players.
Also liked trading down as a move, trusting that our team knew what talent was available and who they thought wouldn't work out.
Only thing that would have pushed the grading up to an A+ is that I thought we'd be able to swing a deal for another top 15 pick overall, so disappointing that didn't happen, but . . . I have no idea of what offers we had to do that, so what can you say other than, too bad.
Feel very confident with our management team so far.
It's clear we have a direction - skill, and hockey smarts, and an ability to over-achieve. No size bias, I am so glad that is gone, although clearly not from many Leafers on here. From player descriptions, those later round guys were all drafted not on where they are now, but on possibility of reaching a high potential, and that potential being a very good NHL piece. You can draft guys like Crouse who are NHL ready, but have him turn out to be simply a bruising 3rd liner getting 12 minutes a night. Conversely, and the direction that I saw, you can take some fliers in the late rounds, and find a couple of kids who turn into the Anton Stralmans or Kucherovs of the NHL. Swing for the fences, and sure, you will strike out a fair bit - but with your successes, you'll actually have some real good players.
Also liked trading down as a move, trusting that our team knew what talent was available and who they thought wouldn't work out.
Only thing that would have pushed the grading up to an A+ is that I thought we'd be able to swing a deal for another top 15 pick overall, so disappointing that didn't happen, but . . . I have no idea of what offers we had to do that, so what can you say other than, too bad.
Feel very confident with our management team so far.
Semantics
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A, very promising picks. Love the emphasis on hockey IQ and skill rather than size and grinding or some other such nonsense.
Also love that the forwards we picked have strong production for their slot. Ironically, GMs/scouts try to get cute and outsmart the numbers that are staring them right in the face. The Canucks Army blog on the "sham draft" is a good read on this. In 2011 we picked Broll at #152 who had 0.5 PPG in the OHL. This year we got Korostelev at #185 who was at 1.0 PPG. 2009, Jamie Devane #68, 0.27 PPG lol.
Sleepers like Lucic are exceptionally rare, whereas picking these skilled guys chances are a couple of them will pan out. I do think some fans miss the point a bit, I have seen some people saying that with Hunter and Dubas we're going to end up with a lot more players with these lower picks than in the past but I don't really expect that, I think most of our picks (besides Marner) won't be NHLers, just like previous drafts, but the difference is the ones who make it have a good chance to be impact players.
Also love that the forwards we picked have strong production for their slot. Ironically, GMs/scouts try to get cute and outsmart the numbers that are staring them right in the face. The Canucks Army blog on the "sham draft" is a good read on this. In 2011 we picked Broll at #152 who had 0.5 PPG in the OHL. This year we got Korostelev at #185 who was at 1.0 PPG. 2009, Jamie Devane #68, 0.27 PPG lol.
Sleepers like Lucic are exceptionally rare, whereas picking these skilled guys chances are a couple of them will pan out. I do think some fans miss the point a bit, I have seen some people saying that with Hunter and Dubas we're going to end up with a lot more players with these lower picks than in the past but I don't really expect that, I think most of our picks (besides Marner) won't be NHLers, just like previous drafts, but the difference is the ones who make it have a good chance to be impact players.
The Hockey Life
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B. Great picks, didn't move out core players. No rush, but would've liked to get more picks. We'll see how it unfolds.
C/D for me. Still no potential #1C (Marner is a wing) and no potential #1D. The trade down was quantity over quality for me and we don't have a quality prospect over 6feet tall in the organization aside from the GOAT whose upside is a 3/4 line defensive specialist. There were highly touted prospects like Barzal and Konecky that dropped and with all the talk of getting another pick they trade out of the first round. The core remains the same while teams that drafted ahead of us are stacked and we don't have the elite prospects and young talent like they do. Meanwhile we are "hoping" Marner can bulk up and play C while teams like Buffalo, Edm, NYI and Cgy are stacked down the middle. I also think we have a mish mash of small forwards that don't compliment each other while the only NHL caliber C we have is Kadri who is also a small defensively challenged C with character issues who is really doess not have any skills that are above average except for drawing penalties/diving
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Mess
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In order to show size doesn't matter these players have to become NHLers not just draft picks.
Many of the better NHL teams drafted size and passed on the high risk smaller players.
No question Leafs drafting however put emphasizes on the skill aspect, but it did result in drafting the most smallest players than any other team.
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There is still chance we get sizable prospects through trading guys. Also, maybe next year is the year they focus on getting size, cause I'd assume we will have at least one more draft like this year, with a high first and lots of picks after. Maybe not 4th overall and 9 picks, but maybe 8th and 7 picks, which is still fine.
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