Speculation: Gostisbehere - Too early to freak out?

[hatcher]

1. It’s an inaccurate & poorly kept stat. Many times I notice players, including Ghost, with clear turnovers that don’t show up on the scoresheet. It’s a joke. It’s why Dave Tippett scoffs at official NHL stats & keeps his own.

2. I said “bad turnover machine.” Meaning many of Ghost’s turnovers are egregiously bad & put the team in extra tough spots, particularly odd man rushes the other way. Not all turnovers are created equal.

Sanheim,ghost,Provy turnovers are the costly ones and every dman does it but not like that as often as these guys.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Too early. Chill bro.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Sanheim,ghost,Provy turnovers are the costly ones and every dman does it but not like that as often as these guys.

Provorov is certainly a bad turnover machine, also. Though he doesn’t try to rush the puck through the entire D as much as Ghost.

 

[hatcher]

Provorov is certainly a bad turnover machine, also. Though he doesn’t try to rush the puck through the entire D as much as Ghost.

No not as bad.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He's damned good and efficient for his cap hit. It's not like we're talking about an 8mil player here, but perhaps because he can play like one people forget that.

 

[Striiker]

He's damned good and efficient for his cap hit. It's not like we're talking about an 8mil player here, but perhaps because he can play like one people forget that.

It's also that some have a well documented irrational hatred of him and will use any excuse to lie/cry about him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Stop with the excuses. Ghost’s problems are almost always self-inflicted. Like trying to skate through the defense in the neutral zone & turning it over, which he did on the PP last night (no Hagg) & then took a penalty. His other turnovers had nothing to do with Hagg.

He did this all last season no matter the D partner, fans just filtered it out. Now more are finally noticing but still trying to make excuses. Enough. He gets tunnel vision & forces stupid plays & turns it over, & that’s all on him.

I wonder how long it will take before you start slamming a player you don't despise (Hayes) for doing literally the same thing. Trying and failing to skate through a whole team is a thing he loves. He actually did it more than Ghost last night, who did it once. Yet you're only shrieking about one.

Interesting double standard.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's also that some have a well documented irrational hatred of him and will use any excuse to lie/cry about him.

Jeff Carter all over again.

 

[Striiker]

Jeff Carter all over again.

It's poetic that Carter was traded for Voracek and he's getting the exact same treatment too.

Hyper-focus on any small mistakes, ignore all the positives which outweigh the mistakes, and complain constantly.

I mean, I complain about players constantly but I complain about Hagg or Stewart or Lehtera or other trash... not our star players who have carried this team.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I wonder how long it will take before you start slamming a player you don't despise (Hayes) for doing literally the same thing. Trying and failing to skate through a whole team is a thing he loves. He actually did it more than Ghost last night, who did it once. Yet you're only shrieking about one.

Interesting double standard.

Hayes did it in the offensive zone trying to get to the net. Huge difference. Apples & oranges.

 

[wasup]

We are 2 w-0 losses bring on the cup , we are great everybody is great . We are 2 - 2 the sky if following we suck everybody sucks . Lol , relax guys we are four games in. If after 20 games we are 8-12 then we can start to talk but it's way to early for this .

Poor Striker is going to have a heart attack at age 12 if this keeps up and we don't need that on our hands .

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hayes did it in the offensive zone trying to get to the net. Huge difference. Apples & oranges.

No, he did it in the neutral zone and at the blue line as well. Three separate times last night. Weird how you didn't even notice. Each time failed. it was noticed and commented on

He does it every game and it works less often than it fails.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I don’t comment on every mistake every player makes in a game. No one does. It’s ridiculous to act like you expect it. I comment on the egregious ones. Hayes made mistakes; the whole team was making mistakes. But he did nothing close to as egregious as Ghost’s God awful PP sequence or have anywhere near as bad of a game as Ghost did.

I eventually started pointing out Ghost’s bad mistakes last year because I noticed that game after game literally no one would ever mention them. If Hayes (only 4 games a Flyer) starts consistently making mistakes as bad as Ghost regularly does, I’ll absolutely acknowledge it.

But I’ve never, ever seen a player have more excuses made for him than Ghost.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don’t comment on every mistake every player makes in a game. No one does. It’s ridiculous to act like you expect it. I comment on the egregious ones. Hayes made mistakes; the whole team was making mistakes. But he did nothing close to as egregious as Ghost’s God awful PP sequence or have anywhere near as bad of a game as Ghost did.

I eventually started pointing out Ghost’s bad mistakes last year because I noticed that game after game literally no one would ever mention them. If Hayes (only 4 games a Flyer) starts consistently making mistakes as bad as Ghost regularly does, I’ll absolutely acknowledge it.

But I’ve never, ever seen a player have more excuses made for him than Ghost.

Nobody makes excuses for him. He gets bashed for his mistakes when they occcur, it's not our fault you choose to ignore those posts. Pointing out that his good plays almost always far outnumber his bad plays and that he is a net positive is not "making excuses," that's called "stating facts." And it's starkly different from the picture you portray where he's some universal negative. You've even argued in the past that he isn't worth his contract.

Hell, the worst play by a dman last night was still Braun, and unlike Ghost he wasn't doing anything in transition or on offense to counter for it, and it's difficult to make up for such a huge series of errors when your skillset is limited to defense.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Nobody makes excuses for him. He gets bashed for his mistakes when they occcur, it's not our fault you choose to ignore those posts. Pointing out that his good plays almost always far outnumber his bad plays and that he is a net positive is not "making excuses," that's called "stating facts." And it's starkly different from the picture you portray where he's some universal negative. You've even argued in the past that he isn't worth his contract.

Hell, the worst play by a dman last night was still Braun, and unlike Ghost he wasn't doing anything in transition or on offense to counter for it, and it's difficult to make up for such a huge series of errors when your skillset is limited to defense.

You don’t consider blaming his individual mistakes last night, including on the PP, on Hagg an excuse?

Now I will say that a lot of posters *did* acknowledge his mistakes last night & how bad he’s been so far. More people are taking notice. But there are also still a ton of posters making excuses for him, & how anyone could think he was “good” last night as some have said is beyond me.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The mediocre roster Chuck Fletcher assembled is more concerning.

 

[kudymen]

The mediocre roster Chuck Fletcher assembled is more concerning.

I still believe that cost-effective players should be whipped first. GM second

 

[phillydownsouth]

It's also that some have a well documented irrational hatred of him and will use any excuse to lie/cry about him.

I have a ghost jersey so I definitely dont hate him. Just know what he can do and want to see it more.

 

[Striiker]

I have a ghost jersey so I definitely dont hate him. Just know what he can do and want to see it more.

You weren't one of the people I was talking about.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Being on the 3rd pair may have tweeked his ego. He needs to get used to that. With Niskanen, Braun, Sanheim, and Provorov on this roster as well as others, he’s going to be on the 3rd pair. If he doesn’t like that, he needs to ask for a trade.
He may have lost some quickness and agility due to the hip problem but it’s not that much. He needs to learn to make better use of his teammates. He’s trying to do it all by himself which rarely works out well. On many other clubs he’d have a bigger role. A trade might be the best for both him and the Flyers. There’s no reason to sell him off cheaply. He has skills and his contract is not an onerous one.

But how does he make use of Bob Hogg? As a mannequin, sure, or a lifeguard when he goes swimming with the teacup bulldogs. But on the ice? Can he use a pylon during games?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Let's not forget mike yeo is in charge of our defense and playet laughed in his face when he was leaving st.louis.

Who, Yeoobastank? He's a ****ing idiot.

 

[kudymen]

Certain group after we record 5 out of 6 points despite weirdass lineup choices: "Calm down, stop the hysteria, we've got 5 out of 6 points and none of you are NHL experienced coaches"

Same group after 1 loss: "Dat Ghost is so questionable, I've been telling you in the hive for so long!! Pat on my back"

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Gost

Please don't ever spell it that way again, as a personal favor to me. Thank you.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Ghost was 4th in giveaways for the Flyers last year for Dmen. And under Gordon:

Provy 61
Sanheim 42
Gudas 39
Ghost 34
Hagg 30

Yup...turnover MACHINE. Your bias is showing again Mr Impartial.

Haggar looks good there, eh? All math is a lie.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

We are 2 w-0 losses bring on the cup , we are great everybody is great . We are 2 - 2 the sky if following we suck everybody sucks . Lol , relax guys we are four games in. If after 20 games we are 8-12 then we can start to talk but it's way to early for this .

Poor Striker is going to have a heart attack at age 12 if this keeps up and we don't need that on our hands .

Only casuals relax.