HF Habs: Goaltending Prospects/Young Players - Who to Keep Who to Trade

[Scintillating10]

Would you retain half on Allen to move him now? Allen be good veteran backup for a Cup contending team.

Goalies need to play. We have to see what we have in Montembeault and Primeau.

It's too late to move Allen at deadline.

 

[Frankenheimer]

An interesting fact is that our team sv% is at its highest since 2016-2017. Maybe playing three goalies is the way to go. Baseball went through a similar evolution of reducing innings pitched for starting pitchers to maximize in-game benefits and reduce injuries. I wonder if playing 25/30 games is an ideal number for performance. I suppose some analytics type will look into this.

 

[Habssince89]

An interesting fact is that our team sv% is at its highest since 2016-2017. Maybe playing three goalies is the way to go. Baseball went through a similar evolution of reducing innings pitched for starting pitchers to maximize in-game benefits and reduce injuries. I wonder if playing 25/30 games is an ideal number for performance. I suppose some analytics type will look into this.

I would love to see the NHL expand a third goalie spot to help more goalies make it and get their chance. It would be better for the game and it would be a great way to develop top prospects without overloading them. But we probably need that spot for a skater right now so without that league wide change I'm in favour of dealing one of them

 

[Scintillating10]

If Habs worked on cutting down giving up so many high percentage scoring chances our goalie be alright.. our goalies are in low .900s in save percentage but Habs among worse teams in league giving up high quality scoring chances.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I would love to see the NHL expand a third goalie spot to help more goalies make it and get their chance. It would be better for the game and it would be a great way to develop top prospects without overloading them. But we probably need that spot for a skater right now so without that league wide change I'm in favour of dealing one of them

First step would be to adjust the goalies waiver eligibility from 3 years to 5.

 

[Seb]

Primeau looks weak mentally, I wouldn't trust him to be a #1.

 

[Ezpz]

If it were a f*** marry kill situation I think we may have three kills.

 

[Nevins]

Primeau's worst performance this year (3rd period). He gave at least 3-4 bad goals...I liked his performances this year but he just reminded us that he will never be more than a second inconsistent goalie

 

[salbutera]

Primeau's worst performance this year (3rd period). He gave at least 3-4 bad goals...I liked his performances this year but he just reminded us that he will never be more than a second inconsistent goalie

Need to always keep in mind there’s a reason Primeau was a 7th round pick. If he makes it as a career backup that’s a success story

 

[MarkJ]

Oilers scouts hopefully left before the 3rd.

 

[Scintillating10]

Oilers scouts hopefully left before the 3rd.

I doubt a rookie like Primeau is guy they want. Scouting reports be all over league now. Cats ventilated Primeau high to glove side.

 

[Egresch]

Primeau looks weak mentally, I wouldn't trust him to be a #1.

Habs are trying to trade one of Allen/Monty and that is why we cannot risk to lose Primeau on waivers claim, because we will need a backup. I am not sure if this whole waiting strategy is worth it as we will probably just get a 3rd round pick for or goalie anyway.

 

[Scotianhab]

Monty is a good goalie for his contract. He should be the one we keep. Primeau can get lost on waivers I’ve never liked his game. Unless they plan to tank again for a high draft pick that will make us all disappointed again then play Primeau every game.

 

[Mrb1p]

I dont know if Monty doesnt have a few top 15 years in him, similarly to what Andersen gave the canes. I think theres a chance hes that for the Habs.

 

[That Habs Fan]

Nobody is considering the fact Montreal might trade both Allen and Primeau (not in the same deal) and acquire a cheaper vet to backup Monty but I could see that happening.

Even Campbell (with major retention) would suffice as a backup for our rebuilding team.

Fowler is the future here.

 

[Miller Time]

Nobody is considering the fact Montreal might trade both Allen and Primeau (not in the same deal) and acquire a cheaper vet to backup Monty but I could see that happening.

Even Campbell (with major retention) would suffice as a backup for our rebuilding team.

Fowler is the future here.

Agreed... Though with oilers heating up, not sure Holland will pay the premium to dump that contract to make it worthwhile.

Fowler, Volohkin & Miller definitely give us some decent hope of 1 of them trending towards NHL #1 by '27-'28

 

[NobleSix]

Montembeault isn't a #1 goalie on a good team. He's a stop gap. Similar to Allen. Primeau won't be a #1 either. We don't have a potential #1 goaltender on the Habs right now. That is a pressing need that must be filled by either our young prospects (Dobes, Fowler, Miller, Volokhin) or from outside the org.

Don't kid yourselves with Montembeault. He's a part time starter. Not a 1# you lock up long term. I have no problem with the deal at 3 years assuming we find our true #1 within that time frame. If the "answer" is Montembeault, we're in trouble.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

If it were a f*** marry kill situation I think we may have three kills.

game doesn't work like that and you know it!!

 

[Kosseca]

Primeau looks weak mentally, I wouldn't trust him to be a #1.

I can't say he's a future no1, but last night wasn't too concerning. He got beat in the same spot during one game.... not all games he played, which mean that he was having a bad night or is positioning was off. this is fixable.

This year, compare to last, he improved his positioning so much, he's nhl ready, he need to play more. he can be a decent back up for now for sure.

 

[Seb]

I can't say he's a future no1, but last night wasn't too concerning. He got beat in the same spot during one game.... not all games he played, which mean that he was having a bad night or is positioning was off. this is fixable.

This year, compare to last, he improved his positioning so much, he's nhl ready, he need to play more. he can be a decent back up for now for sure.

I do believe he can be a NHL goalie but I really don't see a #1 in him. I wouldn't mind going forward with a Montambeault/Primeau duo until one of the younglings becomes ready.

 

[expy]

This pretty much says they don't believe we'll compete in the next 3 years.

 

[Mikah]

Primeau looks weak mentally, I wouldn't trust him to be a #1.

That's the point though. Every year that passes where he does not get truly tested prevents the management from making a decision with him.

Send Allen to the AHL and let Primeau play in a bust season to see what he's got. If Allen gets picked up, everybody is happy of getting rid of the salary for free at this point. If not, then at least you can give Primeau a good 30 NHL games this year to really evaluate his potential.

 

[DAChampion]

Primeau should stay and play 20 games.

Either he takes a step forward, or he helps the tank

 

[Sorinth]

Would you retain half on Allen to move him now? Allen be good veteran backup for a Cup contending team.

Goalies need to play. We have to see what we have in Montembeault and Primeau.

It's too late to move Allen at deadline.

I'm not sure we want to spend a retention slot on Allen. Next year we have Dvorak and Savard as pending UFAs who could likely get a good return if we retain 50% then what Allen can get right now so I'd personally rather save my slots for those two guys.

If dealing Allen the ideal would be to take back a bad contract rather then a retention spot.

But I also don't think it's clear cut that we want to move Allen. There's the risk that if we roll with Montembeault/Primeau and then Primeau struggles, it will lead to us overplaying Montembeault which in turn causes him to struggle and we end up with that new deal on a goalie whose lost his confidence. I'm not sure it's worth the risk given that I don't think Primeau is likely to end up more then a 1B. That said it of course depends on what was actually on the table for Allen.

 

[sampollock]

Hope that young goalie they drafted last year , is a stud...

Or trade for that young guy from Nashville