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Post-Game Talk: [GM 14] Canucks lose to Canadiens | 2-5 | Schenn & Hoglander
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biturbo19
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Yeah. There are just way too many instances where you see a player doing something moronic, completely outside of any actual "system" to ignore.
We're got a bunch of freelancers here. Unfortunately. That's probably it.
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Would you say he’s a ……Pearson of interest?
ChuckNorris4Cup
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OEL is a $2M max player, so he's trash, he's slow, has no shot, and he likes to kill offensive opportunities when he has the puck just useless.
Myers is garbage, I haven't liked him since day 1, he thinks he's like a 5'9 speedster or something when he's obviously not, he's such a liability to a team defensively, and his decision thinking is just brutal.
Schenn honestly is a slow guy, who should never be in your top 4, but because this D is pure crap he's a top 4 on this team and yet he shouldn't be, for his value he's one of our best D and that's sad. Imo he should be making Poolmans salary and Poolman should be on Schenns salary.
Hughes, yes he's a skilled offensive defensemen, but he does lack in the defensive zone due to his size, hence why pairing him with a good stay at home defenseman is key, a Willie Mitchell type player would be a perfect match imo.
Rathbone is like having another Hughes just not as skilled, and if that's how you want to role then again you need another good stay at home D for him, but we don't have any, so he's a liability unfortunately.
Bear still evaluating still a small sample size, he's been okay I think, but he's also kind of small imo so I don't know having that many smaller guys on D is really going to help you unless they're scoring all the time and that's not happening.
Stillman is just bad, when I watched him ice the puck on a delayed offside that was it, write off.
Myers is garbage, I haven't liked him since day 1, he thinks he's like a 5'9 speedster or something when he's obviously not, he's such a liability to a team defensively, and his decision thinking is just brutal.
Schenn honestly is a slow guy, who should never be in your top 4, but because this D is pure crap he's a top 4 on this team and yet he shouldn't be, for his value he's one of our best D and that's sad. Imo he should be making Poolmans salary and Poolman should be on Schenns salary.
Hughes, yes he's a skilled offensive defensemen, but he does lack in the defensive zone due to his size, hence why pairing him with a good stay at home defenseman is key, a Willie Mitchell type player would be a perfect match imo.
Rathbone is like having another Hughes just not as skilled, and if that's how you want to role then again you need another good stay at home D for him, but we don't have any, so he's a liability unfortunately.
Bear still evaluating still a small sample size, he's been okay I think, but he's also kind of small imo so I don't know having that many smaller guys on D is really going to help you unless they're scoring all the time and that's not happening.
Stillman is just bad, when I watched him ice the puck on a delayed offside that was it, write off.
Boldy looks like a first line forward. Caufield is going to score 40.
Pod is struggling mightily. Sigh I will stop posting and keep drinking good night
Pod is struggling mightily. Sigh I will stop posting and keep drinking good night
mossey3535
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I think they look better. They attempt to play a system now. But really it's the same flawed team. Recent contending teams either have the blue line as the strength of the team or like the Penguins they had at least one absolute stud and then decent competent depth throughout.
On top of that, a lot of factors that went their way last year are no longer in their favour. The Boudreau bump is definitely one.
Also guys aren't all going the way they were last season. It's more than normal where some people are in slumps and others are on hot streaks. We're already dealing with more injuries so far this season, they were lucky with injuries last year and now it's more back to typical Canucks levels. Also goaltending is downright bad which they haven't had to really put up with since Nilsson days.
The perfect match was Tanev.
ChuckNorris4Cup
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So the same structure that's made Bruce a winning coach everywhere he goes, okay man sure.
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I don’t blame it on Demko, so many goals are due to the garbage in front of them, I think there’s a real risk this situation is ruining him
I’m starting to think the lack of confidence from management in Boudreau has poisoned everything … along with their paying Miller yet leaving Horvat hanging out to dry
The dysfunction is too apparent for this even to be a roster construction issue, i.e. the poorly constructed defense … there’s some real toxicity at play here
They just got slapped by one of the worst teams in the league, missing their two best players ….. A team that recently sold off most of its guys, has 7 picks in the first 4 rounds next year and 5 1sts in the next three years
I’m starting to think the lack of confidence from management in Boudreau has poisoned everything … along with their paying Miller yet leaving Horvat hanging out to dry
The dysfunction is too apparent for this even to be a roster construction issue, i.e. the poorly constructed defense … there’s some real toxicity at play here
They just got slapped by one of the worst teams in the league, missing their two best players ….. A team that recently sold off most of its guys, has 7 picks in the first 4 rounds next year and 5 1sts in the next three years
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ChuckNorris4Cup
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Bingo.
I remember back when I was on CDC defending Tanev because lots wanted him gone for some bizarre reason, I said you need this guy if you ever expect to win playoffs. Losing him for nothing was ridiculous.
Yes, we have a goal tending controversy. You can't win with goal-tending like that. Demko only lucky Montreal did flubbed some of their chances. Say what you will about the defense (and it is not good), Demko is a major problem.
Good - as bad as the team played there were positives. Not saying these players were necessarily over the top good but taking positive steps
Hoglander was excellent in the offensive zone
Boeser best game in a very long time. If he can build of this might be he can resurrect his game. That would be huge
Rathbone is no doubt a defensive liability. But he showing better in many areas. Play is giving you hope. Would rather live with some of his misplays than have someone else in there with no upside. Rathbone was good in the late push.
Podkolzin - thought it was his best performance in a while. Things will start to come if he sustains this kind of play
Schenn continued good play
Garland a spark plug and main contributor to a decent third period push
Bad
Myers - ugh, all over the place. Did actually get some chances but way too much reaching and getting out of position. You wonder why he can't take the body better and eliminate people from the play. Could help someone in the playoffs and Canucks need to move him if possible.
Mikheyev - misses too many passes and often ends up just skating around doing little. Lack of stick handling makes it very doubtful he's top 6 material
Kuzmenko - right now playing only half the ice. You wonder if he ever went back in zone in Russia b/c he is presently a major defensive problem. Can't be a one trick pony in this League. You wonder about top end speed with this player. Team needs to be patient however.
Pearson - Can't get there so uses his stick too slow opponents (and doesn't even do it subtly) . Early penalties have hurt the team. Provides very little and hurts the team by putting our inept PK to work. Defensive play in this game was also poor.
Demko - maybe marriage was a mistake but this guy has gone to the dogs. A couple of ordinary saves in the first would have kept the team in it. Play lacks any composure. Amid all the negatives this year, he is at the head of the list
Miller - more bad than good. Maybe back to the wing. Maybe back to the 649 line
Pettersson - not very good. Looks he's back to the early play last season too often. Always making the extra move and missing opportunities. Shot is all over the place and you wonder if his arm ever did heal completely. Effort is there but play is erratic. Linemates aren't helping
Management has to decide a direction. If the team continues as they are then some sort of rebuild is a must and you have to have the guts to do it. Sometimes you have to fall back to go forward. Whatever??? The team is in serious trouble
Good - as bad as the team played there were positives. Not saying these players were necessarily over the top good but taking positive steps
Hoglander was excellent in the offensive zone
Boeser best game in a very long time. If he can build of this might be he can resurrect his game. That would be huge
Rathbone is no doubt a defensive liability. But he showing better in many areas. Play is giving you hope. Would rather live with some of his misplays than have someone else in there with no upside. Rathbone was good in the late push.
Podkolzin - thought it was his best performance in a while. Things will start to come if he sustains this kind of play
Schenn continued good play
Garland a spark plug and main contributor to a decent third period push
Bad
Myers - ugh, all over the place. Did actually get some chances but way too much reaching and getting out of position. You wonder why he can't take the body better and eliminate people from the play. Could help someone in the playoffs and Canucks need to move him if possible.
Mikheyev - misses too many passes and often ends up just skating around doing little. Lack of stick handling makes it very doubtful he's top 6 material
Kuzmenko - right now playing only half the ice. You wonder if he ever went back in zone in Russia b/c he is presently a major defensive problem. Can't be a one trick pony in this League. You wonder about top end speed with this player. Team needs to be patient however.
Pearson - Can't get there so uses his stick too slow opponents (and doesn't even do it subtly) . Early penalties have hurt the team. Provides very little and hurts the team by putting our inept PK to work. Defensive play in this game was also poor.
Demko - maybe marriage was a mistake but this guy has gone to the dogs. A couple of ordinary saves in the first would have kept the team in it. Play lacks any composure. Amid all the negatives this year, he is at the head of the list
Miller - more bad than good. Maybe back to the wing. Maybe back to the 649 line
Pettersson - not very good. Looks he's back to the early play last season too often. Always making the extra move and missing opportunities. Shot is all over the place and you wonder if his arm ever did heal completely. Effort is there but play is erratic. Linemates aren't helping
Management has to decide a direction. If the team continues as they are then some sort of rebuild is a must and you have to have the guts to do it. Sometimes you have to fall back to go forward. Whatever??? The team is in serious trouble
VanillaCoke
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This was known since that draft.
Pod has had seemingly unlimited potential among a majority of this fan base for some reason, he's never been that dynamic of a player.
Boldy and caufield were no brainers it's really just another blown dimjim pick. Just less disastrous than his other two.
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Damn. The feels when callers compare watching the Canucks to repeatedly getting diarrhea at Taco Bell.
ChuckNorris4Cup
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For the ones trying to blame the structure. Please tell me why the Travis Green structure didn't work? Or the Travis Shaw structure didn't work?
Pfft, we don't need Tanev... Nate Schmidt is a HUGE upgrade!
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I can understand a GM decided to go another route (eg., maybe he was tired of Tanev getting injured all the time, etc.,). But if you're going that direction (as in the case of Dan Hamhuis), why let a player walk for nothing when you have ZERO intention of re-signing him? Tanev obviously had value (as did Hamhuis to a lessor extent).
Yes, Jim Benning came into an organzation with few assets/prospects. But he did little to help his cause by bleeding those few assets he had (Markstrom, etc.,)
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Maybe to teach the Bruce Bump crowd a lesson.
It's "an outscore your problems and hope the goalie saves you" team. That worked last year, this year's Demko isn't saving anyone.
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Probably because there never has been any visible "structure" under any of those guys...they all relied on Markstrom/Demko.
ChuckNorris4Cup
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Because he was horrible at his job lol.
Travis Shaw was the specialist in that category.
Wake up and smell the roses, it's the players.
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Go Hawks!
It can be both (and his name is "Brad" Shaw).
Demko is pure trash this year. 3 muffins right through him in the 1st. Wasn't even a bad period team wise, pretty basic back n forth.
Miller had that brutal turnover, but was actually looking a lot more like last year, puck protection, making the passes out in front. Habs made the same turnover to Garland in the 1st, even worse, but they get a save. JT does play with the mood of the game/team, would like to see more resilience, but also acknowledge the benefits when things are going well for him
EP on the PP... dude is useless if he isn't gonna shoot. He kills his own PP in the time it takes to handle a pass. WTF are you waiting for? The net will be wide open and he'll pause until the goalie and 2 skaters are in his way.
Hughes hasn't been bad, but waiting on that dominant factor of last year.
Rathbone with 2 awful plays, direct goals against.
Nice to see Hogs get one, deserves to always be in the lineup.
Podz has been bad..
Even with all the issues, that should have been a win. Nothing comes close to dragging the team down like dead last goaltending.
Miller had that brutal turnover, but was actually looking a lot more like last year, puck protection, making the passes out in front. Habs made the same turnover to Garland in the 1st, even worse, but they get a save. JT does play with the mood of the game/team, would like to see more resilience, but also acknowledge the benefits when things are going well for him
EP on the PP... dude is useless if he isn't gonna shoot. He kills his own PP in the time it takes to handle a pass. WTF are you waiting for? The net will be wide open and he'll pause until the goalie and 2 skaters are in his way.
Hughes hasn't been bad, but waiting on that dominant factor of last year.
Rathbone with 2 awful plays, direct goals against.
Nice to see Hogs get one, deserves to always be in the lineup.
Podz has been bad..
Even with all the issues, that should have been a win. Nothing comes close to dragging the team down like dead last goaltending.
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