Give it 20

[dssource]

To me this home stand goes clearly one way or the other. Either we win big and finally get out of this hex, or we lose em all and it's clear as day that Eakins needs to go. I'm sick of him here. He has no clue about defense. We need an experienced NHL coach to replace him. Period!

 

[mactforcoach]

Keep in mind it was Eakins who approached Mac T about Ramsay, not vice versa.

I have the pleasure to have Canes tix for next Friday, I'm hoping to see a new coach at that time.

Or at least that's the spin that we got from the Oilers. Honestly I don't know what to believe anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if it was "suggested" to Eakins that he contact Ramsay.

We are going to the game tonight, hoping RNH is back and also would like to see Pinzotto in the line up for some much needed push back.

 

[Halibut]

For me I thought this season was pretty much sunk when they went through the summer and didnt get a #2 center and while they did add to the blue line neither of those guys were top end enough to make a difference. I'm fine with giving Eakins the season but if they finish in the bottom 5 again I think it's time to burn it down, nuke it from orbit it's the only way to be sure.

Lowe, MacT, Eakins, Howson, the scouts all gone. They brought Bob Nicholson in, he can do the job search for their replacements.

 

[Replacement*]

For me I thought this season was pretty much sunk when they went through the summer and didnt get a #2 center and while they did add to the blue line neither of those guys were top end enough to make a difference. I'm fine with giving Eakins the season but if they finish in the bottom 5 again I think it's time to burn it down, nuke it from orbit it's the only way to be sure.

Lowe, MacT, Eakins, Howson, the scouts all gone. They brought Bob Nicholson in, he can do the job search for their replacements.

Pretty much this. As much as I wasn't enthused with the player additions this off season my main concern was that given the inept continued coaching of Dallas Eakins that these players would not be good enough to persevere usefully through that chaos. As long as Eakins was coach my faith in the team was nill.

I've wanted Eakins canned, I never wanted him hired in the first place. As far as MacT he contributed to this mess with the hire. I would retain the current player additions and see how they progress under a competent coach.

 

[Master Lok]

I will be the first to admit that start of this season has been very dis heartening, but, it is still just 4 games. Scrivens has been horrible but I think will get his game together. If the oilers are in the bottom 5 teams after 20 I will officially switch to the fire Lowe side of the fence. Let some one new in, clean house, out with Eakins and Lowe.


But, lets give it 20, it is just to soon to over react.

You must be a saint okgooil...

Is your first name Fernando?

 

[17Kurri]

What's 20 games gonna tell us that 86 games already haven't?

MacT doesn't know how to build this team and Eakins doesn't know how to coach it? Hasn't that been obvious from pretty much the start of last season?

I'm typically not a "Fire everybody!" type, but the incompetence demonstrated by this duo is offensive.

I'm at a point where I'm dying to have Renney/Krueger and Tambellini back running things, or at least as much as the could run things with Lowe "overseeing" everything.

 

[rboomercat90]

Ramsay as head coach and Nelson as his main assistant. Ramsay is a strong defensive and is great with coaching the pp. With the players we have it should be easy to have success in 5v5 scoring. Nelson has a knack for coaching the pk. Every player to come up from OKC has a pretty strong pk.

Get Cujo as a goalie coach or really just find someone who isn't Chabot.

If we want another assistant we should find an offensive specialist to help our players with learning when to shoot and when to pass, we have the natural skill to succeed just need a good push.

I don't know if Nelson gets brought up here as an assistant. The only stability in this organization is with him in OKC. Would they risk screwing up the only thing they have that's working for them this early in the year? I'm not sure there's anybody down there to replace him. Maybe they just keep him down there for the rest of the season and formulate a more permanent solution in the offseason. Iirc, he just signed a three year deal so he should be expecting to stay there for a while. Different story if they're going to make him the Oilers head coach. Which may very well be the way they end up going.

 

[Eirhead*]

I'm at a point where I'm dying to have Renney/Krueger and Tambellini back running things, or at least as much as the could run things with Lowe "overseeing" everything.

Although I kind of liked Tambellini's "be patient" approach during his time period here. He proved he was lousy at identifying complimentary NHL talent. When MacT was hired, he gave me the impression that he was going to be a bull in a china shop, pulling off crazy trades like acquiring Tavares and Chara by any means necessary to take us to the promise land. Instead we got something that was more like Tambellini Mk.2 with slightly better ability to identify NHL talent, but still pretty useless at making the right moves at the right times... or more simply put, a complete lack of ability to make moves.

I thought Renney should have had a second season though. He made progress with the group, was mathematically in the playoff hunt at trade deadline, and was making some very good progress with Yakupov. Oh and he was in the bottom 10 spots in the league for goals against...

 

[Horseradish]

I will be the first to admit that start of this season has been very dis heartening, but, it is still just 4 games. Scrivens has been horrible but I think will get his game together. If the oilers are in the bottom 5 teams after 20 I will officially switch to the fire Lowe side of the fence. Let some one new in, clean house, out with Eakins and Lowe.


But, lets give it 20, it is just to soon to over react.

I'm fine with this, on one condition. If this team has a winning percentage of less than .400, we absolutely clean house. No more Lowe, MacT, Howson, Eakins, nor Acton.

Deal?

 

[nexttothemoon]

****... I was idiotically optimistic to predict 12th in the West for this team... and they are already firmly stapled to 14th exactly where they left off last season.

Eakins should have been ****canned by the 25 game mark last season... so we are already 60+ games past that point.

MacT's changes have seemingly regressed this team from what they had under Tambo.

Fire this DUD of a coach and THEN re-evaluate after 20 games to see if that makes a difference. If not... then yes it's time to make further roster changes AND if MacT can't get this team out of 14th place by the end of the season (that shouldn't be a ridiculously high bar to achieve for ****'s sake)... then his head should roll and every other body in management should obviously be LONG gone as well.

 

[Horseradish]

What's 20 games gonna tell us that 86 games already haven't?

MacT doesn't know how to build this team and Eakins doesn't know how to coach it? Hasn't that been obvious from pretty much the start of last season?

I'm typically not a "Fire everybody!" type, but the incompetence demonstrated by this duo is offensive.

I'm at a point where I'm dying to have Renney/Krueger and Tambellini back running things, or at least as much as the could run things with Lowe "overseeing" everything.

To be fair to MacT, he's made a lot of changes which, on paper, have made this team a lot better. Even this year over last. The common denominator of suck is his on-ice leadership. Eakins, Acton, and Ference.

 

[Halibut]

To be fair to MacT, he's made a lot of changes which, on paper, have made this team a lot better. Even this year over last. The common denominator of suck is his on-ice leadership. Eakins, Acton, and Ference.

Ah you are overrating the deals he made. He made minor deals that were slight improvements not huge difference makers and that on-ice leadership you complain about are all his acquisitions.

 

[Stoneman89]

I will be the first to admit that start of this season has been very dis heartening, but, it is still just 4 games. Scrivens has been horrible but I think will get his game together. If the oilers are in the bottom 5 teams after 20 I will officially switch to the fire Lowe side of the fence. Let some one new in, clean house, out with Eakins and Lowe.


But, lets give it 20, it is just to soon to over react.

I know what you mean. We should wait at least 2 more years. Just to be sure.

 

[Seedling]

This thread is really insane. How do you not see what is so obvious and right in front of you? 20 games? Is Tambellini back evaluating things? Good lord.

 

[Stoneman89]

Craig Button is so damn useless.

Love Craig Button, and agree with much of what he says. He pulls no punches and like Ray Ferraro, isn't afraid to speak the truth. i suppose you're a Stauffer (what, me worry?) disciple?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Love Craig Button, and agree with much of what he says. He pulls no punches and like Ray Ferraro, isn't afraid to speak the truth. i suppose you're a Stauffer (what, me worry?) disciple?

Have you even read half the posts I've made since this season started? I've been calling for the head of everyone in the organization.

But Button's "opinion" that Eakins will get the axe is worthless. If he has been watching this organization, he knows that the chances of Eakins getting fired are extremely slim.

This thread is really insane. How do you not see what is so obvious and right in front of you? 20 games? Is Tambellini back evaluating things? Good lord.

The longer the MacT era goes on the more I miss the Tambo era. At least then we were SUPPOSED to be bad.

 

[Beerfish]

My first thought in reading the thread title was 'Does he mean 20 games or 20 years?'

 

[Kepler 186f]

My first thought in reading the thread title was 'Does he mean 20 games or 20 years?'

20 years? That is just crazy talk. 10 years sure, 12 at the most. Anything longer is silly.

Hey wait a minute..... Didn't Lowe start as an assistant coach in '98?

 

[Seedling]

The longer the MacT era goes on the more I miss the Tambo era. At least then we were SUPPOSED to be bad.

Awesome. So rather than having a team that is a little better (on paper) that clearly has a coach with no clue and a GM that has made a few good decions and a few bad ones, you yearn for the days of yore when we had entitled vets, a do nothing GM (say what you will about MacT but at least he has tried. Failed in many regards, mostly on D, but tried), a lineup full of Gagners and full expectations of losing.

Are you for real? At least today we have the expectation that we should be winning and not being content with tanking. Tanking is for losers. That we are tanking now is not on purpose but by pitiful management. That is an attitudinal shift that is very significant. But yeah, let's go back to wanting to be losers. You want to cheer for a losing team it seems because the expectations, even though dashed, of cheering for a team to win are too much to bare.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Awesome. So rather than having a team that is a little better (on paper) that clearly has a coach with no clue and a GM that has made a few good decions and a few bad ones, you yearn for the days of yore when we had entitled vets, a do nothing GM (say what you will about MacT but at least he has tried. Failed in many regards, mostly on D, but tried), a lineup full of Gagners and full expectations of losing.

Are you for real? At least today we have the expectation that we should be winning and not being content with tanking. Tanking is for losers. That we are tanking now is not on purpose but by pitiful management. That is an attitudinal shift that is very significant. But yeah, let's go back to wanting to be losers. You want to cheer for a losing team it seems because the expectations, even though dashed, of cheering for a team to win are too much to bare.

I want to see a team that's accountable, properly managed, and not run by buttpatting ****goofs whose glasses are so fogged up Mr. Magoo thinks they should watch where they're going. This team is so horribly managed at every level it's impossible to see the light at the end of the tunnel. To think MacT and Eakins were both hired without even looking at other individuals just tells you how little of a clue the Oilers as a collective have.

But what really gets me is that despite being better on paper, these teams have actually been as bad if not worse than the Tambo tank teams. We're giving up 5+ goals a game to teams that aren't even offensive dynamos. And nobody is being held responsible for it. When Tambo was fired we all were so happy that the culprit was finally gone and better times were ahead. ...It seems we were wrong.

MacTavish has actually managed to mismanage this team more than Tambo did. And unless he pulls some gutsy moves his seat is going to get very hot very quickly. I won't be satisfied with just another coaching casualty.

I mean what kind of moron trades away a center from a team with already pitiful depth and then never replaces him?

Oh sure, MacT has tried to make this team better but the fact of the matter is he hasn't. Outside of Perron all of his acquisitions have been mediocre to Ference. And the fact he continues to employ his braindead coach is the biggest indictment of all.

I have absolutely no faith in Mr. Lowe-hey or MacRandy to clean up the mess they've made and the sooner they remove themselves from the Oiler Park the better.

 

[n7]

Sorry, but I disagree. You can't afford the risk of giving these guys 20.

We did that last year and were essentially eliminated from the playoffs with only 4 wins.

You can't waste another year waiting to see if this coaching staff can get these guys to perform. They very clearly cannot. They very clearly need to be fired. Waiting until game 20 will just be throwing another year away.

Pretty much.

 

[timekeep]

To be fair to MacT, he's made a lot of changes which, on paper, have made this team a lot better. Even this year over last. The common denominator of suck is his on-ice leadership. Eakins, Acton, and Ference.

What moves have made the team a lot better, even on paper. And to fair the 3 guys you list were his acquisitions. MacT was the wrong guy for the job, he should be fired too.

 

[thebogdan]

For me I thought this season was pretty much sunk when they went through the summer and didnt get a #2 center and while they did add to the blue line neither of those guys were top end enough to make a difference. I'm fine with giving Eakins the season but if they finish in the bottom 5 again I think it's time to burn it down, nuke it from orbit it's the only way to be sure.

Lowe, MacT, Eakins, Howson, the scouts all gone. They brought Bob Nicholson in, he can do the job search for their replacements.

I agree with this. I do worry about long term player morale (Hall, RNH) if we scrape the bottom again for 82 games. But my biggest concern is that if DE gets fired early, and Craig Ramsay takes over but the team still ends up on the bottom, we could see a 3rd coach starting the 2015-16 season. And that's too much churn, in my opinion. There is a significant cost to every transition. If we do end up near the bottom (and I still don't think we will) I expect a wholesale replacement of management, per Halibut, in the off-season.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I want to see a team that's accountable, properly managed, and not run by buttpatting ****goofs whose glasses are so fogged up Mr. Magoo thinks they should watch where they're going. This team is so horribly managed at every level it's impossible to see the light at the end of the tunnel. To think MacT and Eakins were both hired without even looking at other individuals just tells you how little of a clue the Oilers as a collective have.

But what really gets me is that despite being better on paper, these teams have actually been as bad if not worse than the Tambo tank teams. We're giving up 5+ goals a game to teams that aren't even offensive dynamos. And nobody is being held responsible for it. When Tambo was fired we all were so happy that the culprit was finally gone and better times were ahead. ...It seems we were wrong.

MacTavish has actually managed to mismanage this team more than Tambo did. And unless he pulls some gutsy moves his seat is going to get very hot very quickly. I won't be satisfied with just another coaching casualty.

I mean what kind of moron trades away a center from a team with already pitiful depth and then never replaces him?

Oh sure, MacT has tried to make this team better but the fact of the matter is he hasn't. Outside of Perron all of his acquisitions have been mediocre to Ference. And the fact he continues to employ his braindead coach is the biggest indictment of all.

I have absolutely no faith in Mr. Lowe-hey or MacRandy to clean up the mess they've made and the sooner they remove themselves from the Oiler Park the better.

dude, they drafted Draisaitl to replace Gagner...MacT closed his eyes and prayed an 18 year old could plug a gaping hole

#OilerLogic

 

[Stoneman89]

Have you even read half the posts I've made since this season started? I've been calling for the head of everyone in the organization.

But Button's "opinion" that Eakins will get the axe is worthless. If he has been watching this organization, he knows that the chances of Eakins getting fired are extremely slim.



The longer the MacT era goes on the more I miss the Tambo era. At least then we were SUPPOSED to be bad.

I believe Button implied that they should fire Eakins after 3 games. Not necessarily that they would.