Proposal: Give Dallas a scorer

[LT]

Nelson for a 2nd

No thanks - Nelson isn't really the bonafide second line player we need.

 

[Beautvillier]

No thanks - Nelson isn't really the bonafide second line player we need.

Eberle could be had too if we’re out of it, just more expensive.

 

[DRW204]

Fans are souring on him, honestly. His trading is mostly amazing but his FA acquisitions are hit-or-miss (Radulov and Bishop are great, most others are pretty meh). The biggest problem we have with him is his drafting, which is what he is supposed to be best at. His drafting flat out sucks.

He finally seems to have got the coaching right with Montgomery (remains to be seen), although the Hitchcock seems to have come from above his head. Ruff was a mess and wasn't his first choice, but he did stick with him for 4 years (and got 2 playoff appearances from him).

If the team misses the playoffs again, there will probably be some serious calls for him to go. I would expect him to get one last chance, though, and if there isn't success after that, he's gone.

if that's the case, he should be looking to make a splash. Duchene would fill a void at 2c for short and long term. That 2nd line is Janmark-Spezza-Comeau.....

 

[HisNoodliness]

Most Wings fans are going to ask for your first for Nyquist, and despite what many here think, there's an alright chance someone does it at the deadline. If not, we'll take a 2nd/whatever the highest bid is.

 

[LT]

Eberle could be had too if we’re out of it, just more expensive.

Eberle's much closer to what we need, and I think we'd be comfortable giving up what it would cost. Roster player (Dickinson?) + Prospect (Honka/Tufte?) + 1st?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

No it doesn't.

None of Lindell, Klingberg, or Heiskanen are going to move any time in the near future.

That would remove a player of Nylander's level from any deal. Maybe Brown for Honka?

 

[Beautvillier]

Eberle's much closer to what we need, and I think we'd be comfortable giving up what it would cost. Roster player (Dickinson?) + Prospect (Honka/Tufte?) + 1st?

Mediocre prospect + 1st should be fine.

 

[LT]

That would remove a player of Nylander's level from any deal. Maybe Brown for Honka?

This has definitely been gone over before - there isn't a deal to be made to bring Nylander to Dallas. We're not giving up what Toronto would want.

Brown for Honka does nothing for us. We have plenty of decent forward depth as is, we just need a second line forward that we can acquire for futures.

 

[xNogaitx]

Dallas:
Hudon, Charles
Scherbak, Nikita

Montréal:
Robertson, Jason
Dallas 2019 2nd rd pick
Conditional 2020 5th rd pick*

*Becomes 2020 4th pick if Scherbak plays more than 40 games with Dallas.

The stars get 2 middle-sixers (likely good for 30-40pts each) as added depth, Habs get pieces for the rebuild whilst reducing their logjam of contracts.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Mats number will drastically go up if he gets out off of the rangers. He makes these amaing plays and has no one around him who can finish.

 

[Unspecified]

Nylander for Heiskenan as a base works. Or we can add Lilj+Nylander+1st for Klingberg

Dallas will NEVER give up the Heiskanen or Klingberg for Nylander. If either of those are legitimate asks from Toronto then we hang up the phone and get someone else.

 

[LT]

Dallas:
Hudon, Charles
Scherbak, Nikita

Montréal:
Robertson, Jason
Dallas 2019 2nd rd pick
Conditional 2020 5th rd pick*

*Becomes 2020 4th pick if Scherbak plays more than 40 games with Dallas.

The stars get 2 middle-sixers (likely good for 30-40pts each) as added depth, Habs get pieces for the rebuild whilst reducing their logjam of contracts.

Did you read the OP?

We don't need any more middle six depth. We have plenty. We need a legitimate second line scorer.

We're also not moving Robertson, especially not for that.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Dallas will NEVER give up the Heiskanen or Klingberg for Nylander. If either of those are legitimate asks from Toronto then we hang up the phone and get someone else.

considering a player of Nylander's caliber I don't see an ask of Heiskanen as outlandish at all, Klingberg however is a Marner level asset hence the additions.

 

[howkie]

Hell no from Toronto.
Heiskenan or nothing.

What is Dallas gonna do with Nylander, if he got scared of a slow and not that mean Chara, think about the Western teams....

 

[Brock Radunske]

Dallas will NEVER give up the Heiskanen or Klingberg for Nylander. If either of those are legitimate asks from Toronto then we hang up the phone and get someone else.

That's fair but what else could you possibly offer that would be of any interest to Toronto?

 

[LucicAndChong]

Prepare to overpay for Gallagher. We need scoring as bad as you.

Heiskenan is the ask

lol wut

 

[xNogaitx]

Did you read the OP?

We don't need any more middle six depth. We have plenty. We need a legitimate second line scorer.

We're also not moving Robertson, especially not for that.

Fact is that I don't think Mtl moves Gallagher as he's part of their "leadership group".

In terms of "top 6" wingers, Mtl has:

Drouin - Potentially available at a return similar to Sergachev, aka, no team in their right mind would pay that.
Gallagher - As mentioned, not available unless insane overpay (Heiskanen level overpay) is proposed.
Tatar - Could be had for something like a protected 2019 1st + (B+/A- prospect or a 2020 2nd).
Domi - Was just acquired for Galchenyuk and is being tried out at C, probably not available unless a significant overpay is proposed.

Another one would be Lehkonen, developing into a future 2LW/RW, but Dallas would have to take a gamble and the price would likely be a 1st + B/C prospect.

 

[Unspecified]

That's fair but what else could you possibly offer that would be of any interest to Toronto?

To be honest there is probably not a deal to be had between Dallas and Toronto then. Dallas would likely go another route to improve secondary scoring. Duchene or Eberle would be option and would not cost any of our defensive studs (Lindell, Heiskanen and Klingberg).

 

[Brock Radunske]

To be honest there is probably not a deal to be had between Dallas and Toronto then. Dallas would likely go another route to improve secondary scoring. Duchene or Eberle would be option and would not cost any of our defensive studs (Lindell, Heiskanen and Klingberg).

I think that's the best route. Its difficult for teams looking to compete to trade with each other because neither will accept packages of lesser pieces, futures or 'maybes'

 

[The Great Weal]

Don't think he gets traded, but what would you give for Tatar?

 

[RussianSpy]

His drafting flat out sucks.

Yeah.... this is a bad take. His drafting, especially in the later rounds, has been impressive.
Heiskanen, Nichushkin, Honka, Oettinger, Point, Dickinson, Elie (who is going to be an every day player in BUF), Hintz, Gurianov, Camaano, Robertson, Dellandrea and Eriksson are all current or future NHL level players.

What more could you be asking for? You want McDavid with every draft selection in all 7 rounds?

 

[Nerv]

Yeah.... this is a bad take. His drafting, especially in the later rounds, has been impressive.
Heiskanen, Nichushkin, Honka, Oettinger, Point, Dickinson, Elie (who is going to be an every day player in BUF), Hintz, Gurianov, Camaano, Robertson, Dellandrea and Eriksson are all current or future NHL level players.

What more could you be asking for? You want McDavid with every draft selection in all 7 rounds?

nichushkin is the best of those first rounders besides heiskanen and hes probably not a top 6 forward. yeah its good to have NHL players but compare gurianov, honka, nichushkin, dickinson, and dellandrea(?) to other teams first rounders in that timeframe. their drafting sucks ass my guy

 

[LT]

Yeah.... this is a bad take. His drafting, especially in the later rounds, has been impressive.
Heiskanen, Nichushkin, Honka, Oettinger, Point, Dickinson, Elie (who is going to be an every day player in BUF), Hintz, Gurianov, Camaano, Robertson, Dellandrea and Eriksson are all current or future NHL level players.

What more could you be asking for? You want McDavid with every draft selection in all 7 rounds?

2013 (Nichushkin, Dickinson, Elie)
Nichushkin was an easy pick to make at 10. Dickinson hasn't panned out well, and this is probably his last year with the organization unless he finally shows us something. Elie is a decent 4th liner we just lost on waivers. Overall, average year but Nill was also hired shortly before the draft, so one can't really fault him too much for that.

2014 (Honka)
Honka is the only player doing anything right now. Everyone else is a bust (Prapavessis might carve out a bit of a career in Columbus, but not here). And even Honka can't manage to earn a regular roster spot as a bottom pairing defender. This draft is essentially trash despite having 9 picks.

2015 (Gurianov, Hintz)
Gurianov is proving to be a terrible reach who can barely put up respectable numbers in the AHL. Looked good in preseason, but that doesn't mean much. Hintz is looking pretty good, has secured a spot on the roster so far, and looks to be the first good non-obvious draft pick of Nill's tenure so far. Rest look useless.

2016 (Too soon to know)
Tufte was drafted as a known project. Probably could've done better, but meh. Point is looking great but goalies are voodoo. Caamano and Stenqvist are intruging but nothing to write home about just yet. Still early for this draft.

2017 (Too soon to know)
Heiskanen looks amazing but let's be real, a squirrel could've made that choice. Oettinger is a question mark especially considering who was taken shortly after him. Robertson looks great. Hawel putting up good numbers. Too soon to tell anything.

2018
Not even going to discuss this as it's far too early to say anything.

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Overall, not painting a great picture for the drafting. Could change soon, obviously, but for a man who was supposedly a draft guru, we certainly haven't seen much of that. Simply change two picks (Honka to Larkin, Gurianov to Barzal - both moves that plenty of fans advocated for) and that entire emphasis changes and this team looks drastically different.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Detroit- Gus Nyquist: Sure.
Detroit- Tom Vanek: Don't think he moves the needle for us.
Anaheim- Jakob Silfverberg: Not sure why Anaheim would move him with their window likely closing soon.
Minnesota- Eric Staal: They'll be competitive and shouldn't move him within the division.
NYR- Mats Zuccarello: Probably my favorite option besides Duchene and Stone.
NYR- Kevin Hayes: Doesn't really move the needle for us offensively.
Montreal- Brendan Gallagher: Doubt Montreal moves him.
NYI- Jordan Eberle: Good option.
NYI- Brock Nelson: Don't think he really moves the needle for us.
NYI- Anders Lee: Just made captain, highly doubt he moves.
Buffalo- Jeff Skinner: Doubtful he moves on considering how supposedly particular he was in where he was traded to from Carolina. Only scenario I can see is him coming for a few months to make the playoffs. Won't know about that for a while.

Cause hes UFA at end of year... it kinda depends how the season is looking at the deadline... on right side when healthy we have Kase/ Perry/Eaves/Silf/Sheerwood/Terry

But a lot depends on Perry/kase/eaves returning from injury and how they look... and how good Terry and Sheerwood look.

I hope we wouldn't move Silf for anything less then a 1st tho(+condition on signing)

 

[GodEmperor]

Matthews for Barnes and Doncic