Speculation: Getting McDavid

[Montag DP]

I think that's the wrong way to look at it

For me it's more like (can't wait for this to be picked apart):

McDavid has a ceiling of 10, and a floor of 9, with a 90% chance to reach his ceiling
Eichel has a ceiling of 10, and a floor of 8, with a 50% chance to reach his ceiling

that's how I feel about it

edit: maybe Eichel's ceiling is 9.5... or McDavid's is 11, lol

Seems fair to me.

 

[TehDoak]

I think that's the wrong way to look at it

For me it's more like (can't wait for this to be picked apart):

McDavid has a ceiling of 10, and a floor of 9, with a 90% chance to reach his ceiling
Eichel has a ceiling of 10, and a floor of 8, with a 50% chance to reach his ceiling

that's how I feel about it

edit: maybe Eichel's ceiling is 9.5... or McDavid's is 11, lol

that's 1 louder isn't it?

 

[Hasek]

Lets assume the Sabres' pick will be a bust. In this case it is better if we lose the lottery because then we won't be kicking ourselves about making the wrong choice. Just food for thought.

 

[Montag DP]

Lets assume the Sabres' pick will be a bust. In this case it is better if we lose the lottery because then we won't be kicking ourselves about making the wrong choice. Just food for thought.

Seems a little too irrationally pessimistic for my taste. I just endured two seasons of being the worst team in the league, and I intend to enjoy the end result of drafting top 2 both seasons.

Plus, if the pick really is a bust, you could always kick yourself for not picking Hanifin, Strome, Marner, etc.

 

[Bps21*]

It's about putting them in position to be the best they can be

Eichel with what I've been building > mcDavid after I trade away big pieces of my team

 

[5 Minute Major]

Lets assume the Sabres' pick will be a bust. In this case it is better if we lose the lottery because then we won't be kicking ourselves about making the wrong choice. Just food for thought.

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

If we win the lottery, we will not and should not trade down.

I wouldn't either... however, if Arizona wanted to trade...

To ARZ
- McDavid

To BUF
- Eichel
- OEL
- Domi
- Duclair
- 2016 1st round pick


ARZ would be crazy to do this, but I think GMTM would have to consider it.

 

[sba]

I think that's the wrong way to look at it

For me it's more like (can't wait for this to be picked apart):

McDavid has a ceiling of 10, and a floor of 9, with a 90% chance to reach his ceiling
Eichel has a ceiling of 10, and a floor of 8, with a 50% chance to reach his ceiling

that's how I feel about it

edit: maybe Eichel's ceiling is 9.5... or McDavid's is 11, lol

mmmmhmmmmmm, Saturday can't get here fast enough

 

[Jim Carr's Rug]

that's 1 louder isn't it?

 

[stokes84]

that's 1 louder isn't it?

WGR just used this as an opening to a segment. Alright, which one of you is Mike Schoop?

 

[Montag DP]

I wouldn't either... however, if Arizona wanted to trade...

To ARZ
- McDavid

To BUF
- Eichel
- OEL
- Domi
- Duclair
- 2016 1st round pick


ARZ would be crazy to do this, but I think GMTM would have to consider it.

Understatement of the day.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

I wouldn't either... however, if Arizona wanted to trade...

To ARZ
- McDavid

To BUF
- Eichel
- OEL
- Domi
- Duclair
- 2016 1st round pick


ARZ would be crazy to do this, but I think GMTM would have to consider it.

Murray would be crazy to turn down that massive haul if it were offered.

 

[Tapu Coco]

Ultimately, it's about depth when you want to build a winner. I don't want to become a team like Pittsburgh, with star power up the middle but not much elsewhere. You want to have a solid team throughout, with a deep forward corps and a solid blueline, which we look to have right now...star power on top of it is just gravy.

I've been thinking about this a little bit lately and I'm kinda nervous with TM's "obsession" with McDavid leading him to gutting what's been put into place for him (Reinhart, Girgensons, Ristolainen, etc). It's probably just the "hoping for the best but expecting the worst" side of me (which somehow didn't come out during the tank race). If we win the lottery, great. If not, build around Eichel and what we already have.

I'm sure GMs have enough sense to not trade away a pick when a Connor McDavid is there for the taking, and I hope that TM accepts where the lottery puts us. Of course, if you can get it done with secondary pieces (Grigs, NYI 1st, Larsson, etc), then by all means go ahead...but that obviously isn't happening

 

[EichHart]

Murray would be crazy to turn down that massive haul if it were offered.

Pittsburgh just limped into the playoffs on the last day of the season with two generational talents in their prime. It's about building a team, not one individual player.

 

[stokes84]

It's about putting them in position to be the best they can be

Eichel with what I've been building > mcDavid after I trade away big pieces of my team

What they have been building is a cache of assets.

 

[Montag DP]

Murray would be crazy to turn down that massive haul if it were offered.

I would do it just for OEL. Then we'd have an absolutely stacked forward and D corps.

 

[Husko]

Pittsburgh just limped into the playoffs on the last day of the season with two generational talents in their prime. It's about building a team, not one individual player.

Off topic, but are you the one getting a new avatar soon?

 

[Jame]

What they have been building is a cache of assets.

the chache of assets are the players used to acquire E.Kane...

Reinhart is not part of the cache of assets, he's a cornerstone piece.

 

[EichHart]

Off topic, but are you the one getting a new avatar soon?

I think zip forgot. He better hurry I'm going to Costa Rica on Friday.

 

[MayDay]

I wouldn't either... however, if Arizona wanted to trade...

To ARZ
- McDavid

To BUF
- Eichel
- OEL
- Domi
- Duclair
- 2016 1st round pick


ARZ would be crazy to do this, but I think GMTM would have to consider it.

Of course he would. Nothing is untradeable, including the McDavid pick.

But it would take a Lindros-esque haul in return in order for me to consider moving it.

 

[jamers]

I wouldn't either... however, if Arizona wanted to trade...

To ARZ
- McDavid

To BUF
- Eichel
- OEL
- Domi
- Duclair
- 2016 1st round pick


ARZ would be crazy to do this, but I think GMTM would have to consider it.

I don't really think there is an argument to not pull the trigger on this trade if you're Buffalo. Maybe, MAYBE ticket sales, if this was a struggling market...

 

[Karate Johnson*]

It's about putting them in position to be the best they can be

Eichel with what I've been building > mcDavid after I trade away big pieces of my team

This is the best arguement for not trading up from 2.

 

[AD1066]

Not a Buffalo fan, but I'm happy for you guys and kind of intrigued by this discussion.

For those advocating a trade up, at the cost of significant assets, what do you view as the quantifiable difference between the two. Ten points a year? Fifteen?

We've already seen with Crosby that a Kopitar or a Toews can have more postseason success, given this isn't basketball and one player can't play 75% of a game.

Put another way, the best player in the world has won 1/9 available Cups in his career. The other guy who has a case for that title has zero.

No matter how good you think McDavid is, I'm hard pressed to believe he gives you a better chance of winning than Eichel and the king's ransom you'd have to give up to get him.

You're about to draft another elite prospect in his own right, a guy who almost doubled the offensive production of Toews at the same age. I'd sure be content with that.

 

[Sabreality]

Not a Buffalo fan, but I'm happy for you guys and kind of intrigued by this discussion.

For those advocating a trade up, at the cost of significant assets, what do you view as the quantifiable difference between the two. Ten points a year? Fifteen?

We've already seen with Crosby that a Kopitar or a Toews can have more postseason success, given this isn't basketball and one player can't play 75% of a game.

Put another way, the best player in the world has won 1/9 available Cups in his career. The other guy who has a case for that title has zero.

No matter how good you think McDavid is, I'm hard pressed to believe he gives you a better chance of winning than Eichel and the king's ransom you'd have to give up to get him.

You're about to draft another elite prospect in his own right, a guy who almost doubled the offensive production of Toews at the same age. I'd sure be content with that.

i don't think there are too many actually advocating moving up, we're just looking at it from all angles...would Murray believe he has the parts to replace the Reinharts, Girgs, Zads, either within the system or by being aggressive in UFA over the next 2-3 years to go with McDavid?

I'm sure close to 100% of us want to stand pat and take Eichel to go along with the stockpile of talent

 

[stokes84]

Not a Buffalo fan, but I'm happy for you guys and kind of intrigued by this discussion.

For those advocating a trade up, at the cost of significant assets, what do you view as the quantifiable difference between the two. Ten points a year? Fifteen?

We've already seen with Crosby that a Kopitar or a Toews can have more postseason success, given this isn't basketball and one player can't play 75% of a game.

Put another way, the best player in the world has won 1/9 available Cups in his career. The other guy who has a case for that title has zero.

No matter how good you think McDavid is, I'm hard pressed to believe he gives you a better chance of winning than Eichel and the king's ransom you'd have to give up to get him.

You're about to draft another elite prospect in his own right, a guy who almost doubled the offensive production of Toews at the same age. I'd sure be content with that.

Here's the impression I get, and it's why I prefer McDavid over Eichel so much:

McDavid reminds me of Toews on steroids in the way he plays. Eichel has some Ovechkin to his game. What I mean is that McDavid plays as cog in the machine. Yeahh, he's the best cog, but there is still a team harmony every time I see him play. Eichel, on the other hand, is sort of a one man show. I don't mean that he's selfish, it has probably come naturally that way, but he's going to have to figure out how to be a part of the overall machine before he wins big on the next level. I think it's a major reason Larkin outplayed him at the WJCs. So yeah, Eichel could outscored McDavid in the regular season, and I still think McDavid will be more valuable, especially soon. I know it's not articulated well, as it's even a bit convoluted to me, but I know how I feel.