TV: Game of Thrones | Season 8 (Final) | Part XIII -TV talk ONLY -NO Books, Spoilers, NO LEAKS

[tarheelhockey]

Do not read the Vanity Fair article on p.34 if you don't want to get spoiled. I repeat DO.NOT.READ. Let's just say their theory isn't really a theory.

Thanks for the heads up. I would have been pretty upset having the finale spoiled.

 

[Kurtz]

^ I didn't read it but it has a lot of upvotes so it must be a good argument

I've read parts. It's a pathetic argument that cherry picks the times she was benevolent and chooses to completely ignore the fire that was simmering insider he since season one, and the recent circumstances that would have led to that fire bursting forth.

 

[Legion34]

1: Because Dany didn't want to wait and rest.
2: Cersei literally died with everything she wanted crashing and burning around her. best death for her character.

Sure. But didn’t the one dragon get hit and live? Seems kinda weird that a random guy in an anticlimactic battle would just
Pick off a dragon.

Also agreed on Cersei having the kingdom literally crush her. I can see that. But i thought there was the prophecy where she gets strangled by her little brother?

I could be wrong on specifics

 

[tarheelhockey]

^ I didn't read it but it has a lot of upvotes so it must be a good argument

What I find fascinating is that critics complain the characters are flat, and then when those characters develop and change over the course of 8 years, critics freak out because they’re not the same character as in Season 1.

Dany changed. She grew up. She was betrayed by the commoners that she fought so hard for in the Slave Cities. She was rejected by the people of Westeros. She was not going to be queen, not ever. That is irreconcilable with her inclination toward mercy. Irreconcilable to the point that something had to give. And when it finally gave, the critics lost their minds over a change in the character.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Plot twist. everyone decides to go to Dorne, and the new Prince of Dorne rules all, with wine and orgies.

The new Prince of Dorne turns out to be Zombie Hodor, who was resurrected Benjen-style and is now leaving a trail of orgies across the seven kingdoms.

 

[MM425]

I definitely agree with the notion that the last few seasons have a rushed feel to them, which is a shame because I have no issues with the character arcs of the major players. Just wished it was all a bit cleaner, more of a fault in execution than theory.

One more to go.

I really think this could have been rectified with full 10 episode seasons. I guess the show got too expensive to make for HBO to justify...

Accepting that the show has been rushed the past two seasons, I’m still mostly satisfied as a longtime fan of the series and books.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

What I find fascinating is that critics complain the characters are flat, and then when those characters develop and change over the course of 8 years, critics freak out because they’re not the same character as in Season 1.

Dany changed. She grew up. She was betrayed by the commoners that she fought so hard for in the Slave Cities. She was rejected by the people of Westeros. She was not going to be queen, not ever. That is irreconcilable with her inclination toward mercy. Irreconcilable to the point that something had to give. And when it finally gave, the critics lost their minds over a change in the character.

I just keep thinking that she would have been loved and adored though by the people of Kings Landing for not only sparing them, but freeing them of Cersei.

She would have had what she wanted, but decided the city had to burn so yep...

 

[MadDevil]

Sure. But didn’t the one dragon get hit and live? Seems kinda weird that a random guy in an anticlimactic battle would just
Pick off a dragon.

Also agreed on Cersei having the kingdom literally crush her. I can see that. But i thought there was the prophecy where she gets strangled by her little brother?

I could be wrong on specifics

There is, but the show kind of picks and chooses which prophecies they use. Although I don't remember, during that scene in the show where she went to see the woods witch, did they mention the brother part of the prophecy?

 

[The Gongshow]

Idk how they wrap everything up in one 72 minute episode. They need a whole episode just for the aftermath and character send off. It'll be lame if they do this in the last 5 minutes of the episode.

Gimme dat Ghost/Jon reunion in the north bruh

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

There is, but the show kind of picks and chooses which prophecies they use. Although I don't remember, during that scene in the show where she went to see the woods witch, did they mention the brother part of the prophecy?

That was the only part of that prophecy left out, perhaps for this very reason. Although they did give the nod with Jaime putting his hands on her neck.

 

[Jack Straw]

Aaron Rodgers was in this episode. Lol. Better than a Starbucks cup or was he?

The dragon got him. Expected to miss all of training camp and the pre-season, and probably a few weeks of the regular season as well.

 

[JetsFan815]

yeah I wonder how many youtubers are going to get some loyal fanatic following by reading the leaks and playing it off as their theories

also it's telling how much GoT videos have spiked in views the past 3 seasons. Video essays have never been so lucrative

Do not read the Vanity Fair article on p.34 if you don't want to get spoiled. I repeat DO.NOT.READ. Let's just say their theory isn't really a theory.

Damn I read a Vanity Fair article this morning and now i am wondering if that was it lol.

I have to say I am very disappointed in the Game of Thrones media and some fans for proliferating spoilers under the guise of "theories". I am pretty sure I was spoiled for Danys heel turn in the last episode when I read someone "speculating" that and did not realize it until I watched the episode.

When LOST used to air (a show with a similar frenzy of theories like GOT) I was active on Lost message boards and used to listen to podcasts and never in 6 years got spoiled. The community was very respectful to not have spoiler theories and people who covered the show were not reading spoilers. With game of thrones it is completely different. I don't know if it's because of the books and there being a culture of spoilers but it is not good.

 

[Ainec]

Damn I read a Vanity Fair article this morning and now i am wondering if that was it lol.

I have to say I am very disappointed in the Game of Thrones media and some fans for proliferating spoilers under the guise of "theories". I am pretty sure I was spoiled for Danys heel turn in the last episode when I read someone "speculating" that and did not realize it until I watched the episode.

When LOST used to air (a show with a similar frenzy of theories like GOT) I was active on Lost message boards and used to listen to podcasts and never in 6 years got spoiled. The community was very respectful to not have spoiler theories and people who covered the show were not reading spoilers. With game of thrones it is completely different. I don't know if it's because of the books and there being a culture of spoilers but it is not good.

message boards and forums are safer because there's no $ or prestige involved in getting stuff right

 

[kihei]

Yeah, the cynic in me wonders if this is a play to see how the show ends up to tailor the last two books accordingly.

If he is suffering from some form of writer's block, that's not that far-fetched a possibility.

 

[Ainec]

Dany turning heel is not surprising though, just badly written. We know DnD took notes from George as to the fate of major characters (Jon, Dany, Starks, Tyrion)

I also stupidly read the leaks after placing a few bets in... aka throwing away my money.

Thought Jaime kills Cersei, there wasn't an option to pick Dwayne Johnson unfortunately. Also thought Grey Worm fighting on the front line would die before Missendei.

The final episode will easily recoup those losses, and I did predict 1 of the dragons will die but I didn't think it'd be from Euron snipe.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Do not read the Vanity Fair article on p.34 if you don't want to get spoiled. I repeat DO.NOT.READ. Let's just say their theory isn't really a theory.

Great thing to read after you've already read the article. Well that's lame.

 

[Andrei79]

After a good nights sleep, I've come to realize that episode was even dumber than I originally felt it was.

There was absolutely no precedent for Daenerys to massacre the whole of Kings Landing after its surrender. None. Not from her character arc. Not even from previous actual monsters from Westerosi history. Even Aerys and Maegor wouldn't have murdered hundreds of thousands after winning. Its just poor writing and its a shame when you consider the rest of the production was top notch. Everyone did their job and then some except the showrunners.

 

[Rob Brown]

Do not read the Vanity Fair article on p.34 if you don't want to get spoiled. I repeat DO.NOT.READ. Let's just say their theory isn't really a theory.

Yet here you are, potentially ruining it for people that did in fact read the article already.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Sounds like the actors agree with us in how writing gas been a let down and not faithfull to GRRM idea for each character. The spider has given a few interviews where he suggested that once they were beyond source material for him the writers did not know what to do with him

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Sounds like the actors agree with us in how writing gas been a let down and not faithfull to GRRM idea for each character. The spider has given a few interviews where he suggested that once they were beyond source material for him the writers did not know what to do with him

I think that's evident with a lot of the characters. Look at Jon spinning his wheels for instance.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I just keep thinking that she would have been loved and adored though by the people of Kings Landing for not only sparing them, but freeing them of Cersei.

She would have had what she wanted, but decided the city had to burn so yep...

I don't know if there was any guarantee of that. The people of Westeros never warmed to her and were on many occasions downright hostile to her. In the end it was the wrong play for her to come to Westeros. She should have stayed in Essos.

 

[Ainec]

I don't know if there was any guarantee of that. The people of Westeros never warmed to her and were on many occasions downright hostile to her. In the end it was the wrong play for her to come to Westeros. She should have stayed in Essos.

"It was mistake staying in Essos she needs to get over to Westeros NOW"

I member

 

[Rabid Ranger]

This article sums up everything that @Blender and I and a few others have been saying about Dany the last two weeks.

"Game of Thrones": Don't be shocked by Daenerys' King's Landing turn

If Dany's ego isn't fed, she gets mad.

I mean, the article isn't wrong. In the end her main goal is to sit on the iron throne. The "breaking the wheel" angle is window dressing. She's really a hypocrite of the worst order.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Is Khal Drogo insane? He wouldn't think twice about razing a city and enslaving/killing their population, with much more rape and looting to go along with it. For a historical example, is Genghis Khan or any of his successors insane? They are responsible for tens of millions of deaths, often mass executions in captured cities. It's an absurd trope that violent people must be mentally ill and pollutes the public discourse around it because people start assuming people with mental illnesses are violent. I think she did what she did because she thought it was the correct course of action, I'm very sure anger and paranoia helped drive that decision, but I don't think she has completely lost it like her father did.

Was Scipio insane for sacking and completely destroying Carthage?

 

[Emperoreddy]

I've read parts. It's a pathetic argument that cherry picks the times she was benevolent and chooses to completely ignore the fire that was simmering insider he since season one, and the recent circumstances that would have led to that fire bursting forth.

It’s r/Freefolk. That place got over run by Dany stans two years ago and they can’t accept their Queen would do such a thing. Easily the worst GoT subreddit.

Even the book purists at ASOIAF acknowledge the idea of the ending makes sense. They just didn’t like the execution (which is par for the course with their opinion of the show vs the books)