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Seriously, it took them 55 days to film. Also it was all filmed during the night, so the entire cast was on the graveyard shift that entire time, as well as in the middle of winter.I see a lot of people didn't enjoy the episode. I share some of the critisms, but I was still on the edge of my seat for all of it.
It was certainly a spectacle. I feel like the incredible production of that whole thing isn't really getting enough praise. I think people are taking that aspect of it for granted, you might not see something like that again soon.
I am concerned though about how they can wrap everything up in a satisfying way in just 3 episodes.
Bran also gave her the dagger in season 7, which she used the same trick against Brienne with while sparring.Arya snuck up on Jon in the same spot in episode 1. He even questioned how she snuck up on him.
Bran also gave her the dagger in season 7, which she used the same trick against Brienne with while sparring.
There was no Deus Ex Machina in this episode. I thought this blatant misunderstanding was beaten to death last night...Infantry in front of your protective trench, Calvary just blindly chasing head-on into an army, siege equipment in front of the infantry, barely any protection for the walls. You can tell they spent all their budget on CGI and not their writing staff. Ever since they went off the book this show has been style over substance. The reason I liked the show and the books is because it's mostly about substance over style.
Even then, spend all your budget on CGI yet in the end there were no fights with any of the white walkers in this episode. Arya is butchered into a Deus ex Machina. Great writing btw. Just have her teleport behind the Night King like a anime. First she struggles to get past 5 wights in the library. Then she teleports through a group of White Walkers to make a giant ass 100 meter leap of faith to kill the Night King.
After 8 seasons of Game of Thrones and all the hype of the big bad being the White Walkers, they in the end only kill 4 of them (Sam kills one, Jon kills two, Arya kills one). The Night King in the entire series hasn't unsheathed his blade once. What kills me too is that Arya had nothing to do with the Northern plot anyway. Her story is with Cersei not with the White Walkers, her entire story is about revenge. What's the point of having Jon? Was he just another Marty Stu in the end? But at least Dan and Dan turned Arya into another Jon/Daenerys/Self-insert character, a character who's awesome and can't make a wrong move and is never in any risk what-so-ever!
If they were going this direction at least have the balls to kill of Jon. But hey, at least my expectations were subverted by a Deus ex Machina! This show is now being made for drunk idiots in bars who will cheer at anything.
You keep using Deus Ex Machina. I don't think that word means what you think it means.Infantry in front of your protective trench, Calvary just blindly chasing head-on into an army, siege equipment in front of the infantry, barely any protection for the walls. You can tell they spent all their budget on CGI and not their writing staff. Ever since they went off the book this show has been style over substance. The reason I liked the show and the books is because it's mostly about substance over style.
Even then, spend all your budget on CGI yet in the end there were no fights with any of the white walkers in this episode. Arya is butchered into a Deus ex Machina. Great writing btw. Just have her teleport behind the Night King like a anime. First she struggles to get past 5 wights in the library. Then she teleports through a group of White Walkers to make a giant ass 100 meter leap of faith to kill the Night King.
After 8 seasons of Game of Thrones and all the hype of the big bad being the White Walkers, they in the end only kill 4 of them (Sam kills one, Jon kills two, Arya kills one). The Night King in the entire series hasn't unsheathed his blade once. What kills me too is that Arya had nothing to do with the Northern plot anyway. Her story is with Cersei not with the White Walkers, her entire story is about revenge. What's the point of having Jon? Was he just another Marty Stu in the end? But at least Dan and Dan turned Arya into another Jon/Daenerys/Self-insert character, a character who's awesome and can't make a wrong move and is never in any risk what-so-ever!
If they were going this direction at least have the balls to kill of Jon. But hey, at least my expectations were subverted by a Deus ex Machina! This show is now being made for drunk idiots in bars who will cheer at anything.
There was no Deus Ex Machina in this episode. I thought this blatant misunderstanding was beaten to death last night...
There was no Deus Ex Machina in this episode. I thought this blatant misunderstanding was beaten to death last night...
Seriously - they've been setting her up as a sneaky assassin the entire series. It is the opposite of a Deus Ex Machina. If any trope, it's like a really prolonged Chekhov's Gun.If the lord of light himself suddenly showed up with no warning and melted the NK, THAT would have been a Deus Ex Machina.
Also they established Arya can be so quiet that the only sound that could be heard was the dripping of her blood.
He's Robert E. Lee level of competent. He'll get statues for his losing effort.We also see Jon try and fail to sneak back into the castle, just to stamp it home further how he was not equipped for this task.
Her entire arc training to become a Faceless Man, who worship the god of death and are notorious for being able to kill anyone.Syrio’s training in season 1 had her learning to be quick and sneaky from chasing cats.
She told Tywin in season 2 that anyone can be killed. Anyone.
He's Robert E. Lee level of competent. He'll get statues for his losing effort.
Well...It is legit a running gag at this point with how ineffective Jon is. He might have accomplished the least in that entire battle.
Well...
I mean, Bran. But he's a close second.
I agree, it's a Chekhov's Gun. They gave Arya supernatural assassin powers, and years of experience gained through hardships. It all paid off last night and makes a ton of sense in retrospect.Seriously - they've been setting her up as a sneaky assassin the entire series. It is the opposite of a Deus Ex Machina. If any trope, it's like a really prolonged Chekhov's Gun.
Again just so this conversation doesn't got any further than it needs to:Which character gave Arya the fast ball special? The Hound?
- Deus ex Machina are solutions to a problem. They are never unexpected developments that make things worse, nor sudden twists that only change the understanding of a story.
- Deus ex Machina are sudden or unexpected. This means that even if they are featured, referenced or set-up earlier in the story, they do not change the course of nor appear as a natural or a viable solution to the plotline they eventually "solve".
- Deus ex Machina are used to resolve a situation portrayed as unsolvable or hopeless. If the problem could be solved with a bit of common sense or other type of simple intervention, the solution is not a Deus ex Machina no matter how unexpected it may seem.
- Deus ex Machina are external to the characters and their choices throughout the story. The solution comes from a character with small or non-existent influence on the plot until that point or random chance from nature or karma.
Idk. Jon and Dany combined to knock the Night King off his dragon. That may not amount to much in the long run, but it's not nothing.Well...
I mean, Bran. But he's a close second.
I mean this was literally spelled out for us since season 5 as well. We as the viewer experience Melisandre's faith in prophecies and visions completely shatter. She thought she had all the theories figured out, but all she was left with was glimpses of what was to come and she knew people she had seen in visions had important roles to play, but she didn't know how or why.George Martin himself said don’t trust prophecies!!!