Even a mastermind can have a weakness that eventually becomes their downfall. If Littlefinger knew everything he'd be as boring as Bran.
Yeah he did. His going for love over duty was annoying. Especially knowing the lessons he was taught by his parents.Rewatching series lately and I gotta say
Robb deserved his fate
Preaching honor and showing himself to be man of no honor countless times including his breaking of vow to Lord Frey and the double standard he applied to Karstark vs his mother (She was not punished for freeing Jamie Lannister ,, His honor should have compelled him to behead her)
I also didn't like that.It wasn't just Littlefinger who was being dumb in that sub plot, the whole quarrel between Arya and Sansa was really really stupid as well.
I'll say this much...
Re-watching Season 1 right now, and watching how Littlefinger masterfully orchestrated essentially every major event to unfold exactly the way it did... It's simply not believable in the slightest for him to be outsmarted by a pair of teenager girls the way he supposedly was at the end of season 7. It's extremely lazy and unbelievable writing if that truly was the end of littlefinger.
The way he sets up the Starks and the Lannisters against each other and essentially starts a new war out of nothing is remarkable. Flat out he would have long foreseen the events that unfolded between him and the Stark sisters and found an escape route if the show still held true to the beginning.
We'll have to see what happens but to me it would be a disappointment(And sadly an expected one at this point) for his character to have been killed so seemingly easily. Hopefully these theories prove true.
Not that it was a great plot or anything because it wasn't, but most of the quarrel wasn't real. Arya was playing the game of faces with Sansa to try and elicit real responses from her and see if she would believe the lies Arya was telling her, which she didn't.It wasn't just Littlefinger who was being dumb in that sub plot, the whole quarrel between Arya and Sansa was really really stupid as well.
Also Bran who can see everything from the past if he goes looking. Funny how that was left out of the critique.Pair of teenage girls is a bit rough. One is a trained assassin and the other spent considerable time around Littlefinger potentially studying his every move.
That was the whole point. He tried to play himself off like Ned 2.0 and be mature beyond his years but he was still young and impulsive.Rewatching series lately and I gotta say
Robb deserved his fate
Preaching honor and showing himself to be man of no honor countless times including his breaking of vow to Lord Frey and the double standard he applied to Karstark vs his mother (She was not punished for freeing Jamie Lannister ,, His honor should have compelled him to behead her)
Not that it was a great plot or anything because it wasn't, but most of the quarrel wasn't real. Arya was playing the game of faces with Sansa to try and elicit real responses from her and see if she would believe the lies Arya was telling her, which she didn't.
The show’s Littlefinger treatment is making me a little uneasy about how the series will end. He was IMO the most interesting character and the guy who understood The Game and exerted the most control over everyone, second only to Tywin. He gets relegated to nothing by essentially two high schoolers and then cheat code Bran.
I’m wary that the last season is going to abruptly end all of the storylines that actually make the show interesting and instead emphasize a CGI zombie dragon battle. Which would be a real shame since there are still a lot of interesting things to be resolved
You know that Sansa and Arya were acting during this entire plot to try and judge loyalties and bait Littlefinger, right? Arya intentionally gets spotted snooping around, as does Sansa. Arya confronts Sansa very loudly with the door open for all to hear.But we know from the deleted scene with Bran that Sansa was genuinely actually considering going through with arresting Arya until Bran told her about Littlefinger.
I like when there is action used sparingly when the more slow-burning aspects of the story come to a boil, but these whole-episode action sequences don't do much for me.
I think the problem some people have is that it is a form of deus ex machina.But we know from the deleted scene with Bran that Sansa was genuinely actually considering going through with arresting Arya until Bran told her about Littlefinger.
It isn't just "not quite" a deus ex machina, it's not even close to one. Bran has those powers already as established in the plot, him using them to look into Littlefinger's schemes isn't a new power introduced to solve that one plot.I think the problem some people have is that it is a form of deus ex machina.
The 500BC Greeks used to throw in a God when they were plot stuck and said God then handled everything in their all-knowingness. End of story.
Bran is like the all-knowing God thrown in to end the plot. It's not quite that way because it was LFs' not knowing about this new God that led to his downfall.
Still skirts the edges though.
see deus ex machina get misused on this board a ton. It has a specific meaning and specific criteria
You know that Sansa and Arya were acting during this entire plot to try and judge loyalties and bait Littlefinger, right? Arya intentionally gets spotted snooping around, as does Sansa. Arya confronts Sansa very loudly with the door open for all to hear.
I don't think they communicated the plot very well, but it was hardly characters just acting dumb.
It isn't just "not quite" a deus ex machina, it's not even close to one. Bran has those powers already as established in the plot, him using them to look into Littlefinger's schemes isn't a new power introduced to solve that one plot.
I see deus ex machina get misused on this board a ton. It has a specific meaning and specific criteria.
Yes they were. The entire thing was a scheme to get Littlefinger to over play his hand due to overconfidence, and of course he did because he thought he was in control. Sansa would have never sent Brienne away if she was afraid of Arya, but she wasn't afraid of her at all. Arya was repeatedly lying about both her own motivations and what she thought about Sansa, and Sansa of course caught onto the lies because they were obvious to anyone who knows Arya (but wouldn't be to anyone else). Sansa was also repeatedly lying to Littlefinger and leading him on. Bran provided some additional leverage to get rid of him beyond the Lysa and Jon Arryn scheme.No they weren't lol
Rewatching series lately and I gotta say
Robb deserved his fate
Preaching honor and showing himself to be man of no honor countless times including his breaking of vow to Lord Frey and the double standard he applied to Karstark vs his mother (She was not punished for freeing Jamie Lannister ,, His honor should have compelled him to behead her)
I'll say this much...
Re-watching Season 1 right now, and watching how Littlefinger masterfully orchestrated essentially every major event to unfold exactly the way it did... It's simply not believable in the slightest for him to be outsmarted by a pair of teenager girls the way he supposedly was at the end of season 7. It's extremely lazy and unbelievable writing if that truly was the end of littlefinger.
The way he sets up the Starks and the Lannisters against each other and essentially starts a new war out of nothing is remarkable. Flat out he would have long foreseen the events that unfolded between him and the Stark sisters and found an escape route if the show still held true to the beginning.
We'll have to see what happens but to me it would be a disappointment(And sadly an expected one at this point) for his character to have been killed so seemingly easily. Hopefully these theories prove true.
Yes they were. The entire thing was a scheme to get Littlefinger to over play his hand due to overconfidence, and of course he did because he thought he was in control. Sansa would have never sent Brienne away if she was afraid of Arya, but she wasn't afraid of her at all. Arya was repeatedly lying about both her own motivations and what she thought about Sansa, and Sansa of course caught onto the lies because they were obvious to anyone who knows Arya (but wouldn't be to anyone else). Sansa was also repeatedly lying to Littlefinger and leading him on. Bran provided some additional leverage to get rid of him beyond the Lysa and Jon Arryn scheme.
Sorry you didn't get this, but it is what happened. It was poorly done because the writers were going for a fake out, which I don't think worked that well.