This post should be stickied to the top. People turn their backs on players that have gave so much, then call them "done". Remember Osgood was "done" then he came in and won a cup in 2008 and could have easily won the MVP. People were throwing Osgood under the bus before that.
Zetterberg had a bad stretch and people were calling for his head and wanted him traded. This year he is proving to be one of the best players in the NHL. Funny how that works.
People want to trade trash for superstars, it makes no sense why Jets want Mursak, Emmerton and a signed Lebda stick for Bogo... but people really hate Holland because he can't trade trash for good players.
On the flip side, if Holland gave up what it would really take to get said player, this forum would have an epic meltdown. For example, a first for Quincey was a fair deal because he was a RFA and ultimately signed to a fair contract. I will get flamed for saying that, but it is fact!
Same with Ericsson, people FLIPPED at Big Rigs contract, now it is a bargain. He's been good. Those same people won't come forward admit they were wrong. They are ALWAYS wrong, yet they keep yapping like they know what they are talking about. It is free entertainment, I guess.
Oh and don't compare Kronwalls stats to Quinceys, because that doesn't count. Yet these same people use stats to backup the argument in their favor.
Welcome to HF-hypocrisy.
No. Welcome to you being unable to do critical thinking.
1. There are many posters here.
2. We have different opinions.
3. You are confusing one person's opinions with another's. As in, some guys say that E is a bum, you think all guys are saying that, so when another guy says later, "E is playing awesome!" you think it's hypocrisy when in fact, it's just two different people's opinions. I really just think you need to look up what hypocrisy actually means. Right now I think you're using hypocrisy when you really just mean "objective."
4. Opinions can change and it's not hypocrisy. It's called being a rational human being that changes their opinions based on the evidence in front of them. You know what we call people who never change their opinions when the world around them is changing? Idiots. Generally the unadapting die in the natural world.
Now that your logical deficiencies have been addressed, let's go to your actual points, though I hesitate to call them points.
1. Zetterberg - Please show me how many people actually wanted him traded. I know this will be hard for you to grasp, but it's possible to criticize a player's play without wanting him to be traded. As I remember it, most people last year recognized that Zetterberg was slower and not as good as he used to be. I can't remember a specific person actually calling for a trade, though it may have happened. I doubt it was anything close to approaching a majority of the posters here, no matter how much you want it to be true so you can paint all of us as "hypocrites."
2. Riiight. People propose bad trades all the time here. You know what happens to them? People tell them why it's a bad trade and the other team would never go for it. The reason people complain about Holland is because for the past few years he's seemed unable or unwilling (really doesn't matter which) to make the big moves to prepare for the inevitable. Lidstrom leaving is huge. Rafalski left right before him. Stuart left with Lidstrom. There were options out there, not only to address our defense concerns but also to address the needs for a scoring winger for Pavel. We addressed neither, and then we hear Holland in an interview say that he "likes our team," "parity," "price was too high." That makes it sound like he didn't even try.
3. Q signing a fair contract is not a fact, that is pretty much
the textbook definition of an opinion. But trust me, I'm not surprised you can't tell the difference. Q traded away a first round pick for a whipping boy. A whipping boy who very much deserves it. Q is trash. I called him trash last year watching him play and he hasn't done much improving this year either. So trash he remains. But guess what?! If he gets better, I will readjust my opinion of him because that's what rational human beings do! When the facts change, so do opinions! MAGIC!
4. For starters, I have been defending E since 2010. But that was based on potential and hope, not on his actual performance. I saw his potential in the 2009 playoffs and my hope was that he could reach that again. He didn't actually start playing to that level until sometime last year. When a player is sucking, people have every right to complain about their play. When a player is playing well, people are right to praise them. My correctly predicting that E would return to form does not make everyone else who didn't predict that a hypocrite, I just like to think it makes me a better judge of skill/potential/worth. That has
nothing to do with hypocrisy.
5. Mmm. No. It's not that stats don't matter, it's because you're using only +/-, a knowingly flawed stat, and over a very small sample size. 13 games? 12 games? Yeah... Over a career, +/- shows a trend, but over 13 games, +/- is pretty damn worthless. You know what's a really telling statistic though? Quincey's plummeting ice time. I think even Babcock knows how bad he is now.
Hope this was informative and scathing at the same time.
Fans are fickle because hockey, and professional sports in general, are fickle.
It's not even being fickle. You like players on your team because they help your team WIN. Ultimately, you are rooting for the TEAM, not the player. I'm happy when Datsyuk scores. I am not happy when the team loses. I am happier when the team wins and Datsyuk is pointless than when the team loses and Datsyuk gets a hattrick. It's about the
team.
If the team isn't winning, I want changes made so that the team wins. If that means dumping a player that has sucked for 2+ years to make room for fresh young talent that has performed outstandingly in the AHL, then hell yes I want that to happen. Thanks Cleary, for being awesome for a few years, but now it's time to go. Just as it was time to go for Osgood, Maltby, Draper, Holmstrom, and dozens of other amazing, legendary, iconic Red Wings that could no longer compete at the level they needed to compete.
Wings fans for the most part, love those four players I mentioned. That doesn't mean they have to want them to also keep playing for the Wings. They are not physically ABLE to play at that level anymore. So it's time to move on. THERE IS NOTHING FICKLE ABOUT THAT. People are let go all the time for being unable to do their job. That's not disloyalty, that's not hypocrisy, that's not fickleness, that is freaking LIFE. Hell, all those guys can have jobs for life within the organization. They know that. They are SET, taken care of.
You typing "it is fact!" doesn't actually make it a fact. It may be showing that you REALLY want to justify buying the #27 Quincey home red to your friends who pick on you for it, but doesn't make it a fact. He's been bad to average at best during his current stint here, and IMO (not a "fact!", just my opinion), it was a flushed 1st rd pick and he isn't worth his contract.
