I read earlier that Bozak could be had from the Leafs. Reuniting him with Kessel on the 3rd line excites me and probably Phil as well.
Call me intrigued. I'm a fan of the idea.
I read earlier that Bozak could be had from the Leafs. Reuniting him with Kessel on the 3rd line excites me and probably Phil as well.
Wow I didn't know Jarnkrok had that contract. That's amazing 5 more years @ 2 million. We should definitely offer something to Nashville before expansion (aren't they going to lose him anyway?)
Phil would love it!What about Phaneuf if Ottawa takes on 2 million per year?
Nashville will not trade him - it would have to be from Vegas if they selected him. But I'd easily pony up a 1st+ for him. I wonder if a 1st+Jarry would do?
What about Phaneuf if Ottawa takes on 2 million per year?
Help me out on why Nash wouldn't trade if they thought Jarnkrok would be the Vegas selection and were offered good value? It seems to me that C would be the most valuable and hardest position to fill for Vegas. Jarnkrok could easily end up their 2C. We would have to vastly overpay to get him from vegas relative to Nashville, I would think.
I'd do something like Hagelin + 3rd for Phaneuf @ 1.5M retained. Or something like that.
I like the idea of Bozak and brought it up at the trade deadline. The leafs could move Nylander to center and have good center depth with Matthews/Nylander/Kadri down the middle.
Bozak is money on faceoffs, better in his own end than others give him credit for and has produced both with and without Kessel. He is Kessel's best friend and it never hurts to keep that man happy. Plus I feel like he could man a legit second power play unit, something I've not felt Bonino has done in the past year.
If McPhee's agreed to take Fleury, we could totally take him...
Also Nashville might expose Neal instead of Jarnkrok. Would be hilarious if they did.
I'd be a little uneasy giving up the 1st for Jarnkrok, nevermind adding, particularly when other fanbases are saying their 3C is available for a second.
I'd say a bigger issue was that we didn't give our young kids a chance who had proven themselves in WBS. Rowney is the perfect example of the guy who puts in the work at every level and showed that he can be an asset for us and play reasonably well at the NHL level. Signing Kunitz (and likely another C) to bump him down is everything we've *****ed about for the 7 years before last year.
You can play with fire when you give term. All those sweetheart Detroit deals looked great once. Chicago, too. Nashville definitely hit the home run. I just don't want to venture down that road. I'd rather pay up for less term.
So Jarnkrok, Vermette, Kulikov or Smith and then Justin Williams?
Given Anaheim's tricky situation with the expansion draft, what do you think it would take to get Sami Vatanen over here? Running on the assumption that the Knights are going to pick Fleury, we can add a Dman and expose him to the expansion draft without much fear, correct?
Sami Vatanen for Pouliot and Pick #31 please. Or maybe Sheary for Vatanen straight up? I'll admit I'm not the best at gauging player value.
Call me intrigued. I'm a fan of the idea.
What about Phaneuf if Ottawa takes on 2 million per year?
I'd do something like Hagelin + 3rd for Phaneuf @ 1.5M retained. Or something like that.
If McPhee's agreed to take Fleury, we could totally take him...
Also Nashville might expose Neal instead of Jarnkrok. Would be hilarious if they did.
I'd be a little uneasy giving up the 1st for Jarnkrok, nevermind adding, particularly when other fanbases are saying their 3C is available for a second.
The more I think about it maybe they will expose Neal instead. They need to keep their center depth intact in my opinion, and Jarnkrok is 25 and as mentioned here, signed to a great deal. Neal provides some of the flash their team lacks, but centers are more important. Arvidsson blossoming greatly softens the blow of losing Neal to Vegas.
This also means there's no point entertaining us getting him either though.
what about Craig Smith. He is $4M per year guy but I would snatch him way before neal. Heck I'd love to see him in Penguins uniform he would be a great fit here
Agreed. The two go hand in hand. Who knows...Teddy Bleuger could be the next Tyler Johnson. Sundqvist could be the next Getzlaf. Kidding but we are on the same page.
Under 30 I'm a little better with it, especially if it's a center. Centers will always have trade value as long as the wheels don't fall off. I'd have no issues with Jarnkrok. $2mil for 5years? Easily manageable.
I do not want Vermette here. I may be in the minority but I just don't want him. He doesn't fit what we are doing here outside of needing faceoff help. Williams will want too much and I'd rather give the wing jobs to the younger kids. I'd rather give Sprong the slot than sign Williams. Money better used elsewhere.
Kulikov or Smith (or MDZ) I'd be on board with. Matt Stone is another. I think Smith may want to much and will likely get too much. Rumor was he wanted around $4mil. Hard no. Kulikov may take a bit less since bombing in Buffalo. I'd like to get him in at around 2.5-3mil. He provides a lot of what we need. What we basically need right now...is Simone Despres. Big, mobile, physical. Kulikov is physical and hopefully still mobile but it depends how bad the back is.
Not enough IMHO. They could do much better to be honest. One thing that's nice is Sheary is exempt from the ED so that could boost his value. Toronto is talking Kapanen+ for him. That's tough for us to beat to be honest with who we currently have. He'd be a solid addition no doubt. I suggested in previous posts Rust+1st. That's a solid player for the Ducks, hurts but Rust is replaceable here and we get the top 4 dman we desperately need. I even suggested taking on Beiska at a reduced rate for the one year to be our bottom pairing guy.
Dumo-Letang
Maatta-Vatanen
Cole-Schultz
Bieksa
I like it. Tough pitch though.
Agreed. Base of Hagelin for Bozak solves several issues for us to be honest. Not sure what Toronto is thinking, they likely want to be free and clear but that doesn't work for us. If you can pull off a Hagelin+ for Bozak, that solifies perhaps the best forward line up in the league.
Jake-Sid-Sheary
Rust-Malkin-Horny
Wilson-Bozak-Kessel
Kuhn-Rowney-Archi
To me, ideally:
Jake-Sid-Sheary
Sprong-Malkin-Horny
Rust-Bozak-Phil
Wilson-Rowney-Archi
Kuhn
I mean...psh...come on. That's 3 solid scoring lines. THAT is a true matchup issue. Bozak can easily become 2C is Sid or Geno go down too. I like that. This is where you use the cheap labor of Jake, Sheary, Rust, and Sprong to bolster depth.
Call me crazy but I'd be interested. 32 with 5yrd left is tough though. I love what he brings. He brings A LOT of what we are missing on the back end. Stick him with Schultz and I think we have a solid pairing there. Depends on what Ottawa would want in return though...
Make it $2mil retained so he's an even $5mil, and I think I do it. I'd really have to noodle on it though.
Haula for a 2nd < Jarnkrok for a 1st. I believe we will take a center with that 1st unless there's a stud dman or wing that dropped significantly ala Kapanen or Sprong. With that, Jarnkrok is who we would hope that 1st turns into eventually except we get him now and he's available for the tail end of the Sid and Geno window.
This is all assuming Bonino prices himself out of town.
what about Craig Smith. He is $4M per year guy but I would snatch him way before neal. Heck I'd love to see him in Penguins uniform he would be a great fit here
I am hoping that all three guys: Kuhn, wilson and Rowney become really just the depth guys and we make that 4th line a bit more productive...
I do not want Vermette here. I may be in the minority but I just don't want him. He doesn't fit what we are doing here outside of needing faceoff help.
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Haula for a 2nd < Jarnkrok for a 1st.
I believe we will take a center with that 1st unless there's a stud dman or wing that dropped significantly ala Kapanen or Sprong. With that, Jarnkrok is who we would hope that 1st turns into eventually except we get him now and he's available for the tail end of the Sid and Geno window.
This is all assuming Bonino prices himself out of town.
Would Connor Murphy be available? Derrick Pouliot + Olli Maatta be in the ball park?
How about RFA rights to Zemgus Girgensons? 2nd round pick? What terms would he get on a new deal? 3 x $2.5?
Thanks.
Since I'm going mainly on stats and opinions on here when I throw out trade ideas, can you expand? Personally cheap defensively responsible veteran who is a boss at face offs sounds ideal as a short term plug - we do definitely need someone who can do faceoffs.
And Haula's better than Jarnkrok there, has better ES numbers this season, blocks more, hits more, does more takeaways, and is allegedly faster. I know the blunt stats tell little of the story, but I'm curious as to what you're seeing that says you'd rather have Jarnkrok for the first.
I'm down with that logic, just I'd rather get a deal done without using the 1st if possible. And certainly not adding Jarry or anyone like that to it.
Why would we trade Pouliot + Maatta for Murphy? We just won the Cup with Olli playing a pretty significant role. If he's traded, it needs to be in a package for a legit upgrade, not a rookie (who is older than Maatta) off a decent season. Arizona needs to add a lot to get Maatta for Murphy.