News Article: Friedman's 31 Thoughts: Habs Draft, Pacioretty, Jack Johnson & Mark Hunter

[Habs Halifax]

Johnson better be a stop gap type of signing and a guy we trade at the deadline for a ransom.

Wait to sign Johnson. Offer him a very team friendly deal and if he signs somewhere else, who cares. If he signs with us, we give him a 1 or 2 year contract max. The longer he goes without a contract, the better but I suspect some team will give him the term he is looking for.

His best bet might be to pull off a Radulov. Come to Montreal on a low AAV, play with Weber, and increase his value for a bigger contract next off season. Something he and his agent might consider.

 

[G0bias]

While anyone who is perceived to make the Habs worse, is guaranteed to be acquired/signed/drafted by the Habs because of MB.

And yet that is what people predicted last summer, got labeled fake fans for it and a year later - they were right. Can you blame them?

Possible it doesn't happen the same way this summer, there isn't anything out there that suggests otherwise however.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Can’t believe JJ sucks that much. He was one heck of a defenceman in the NCAA.

13 years ago.........................................

 

[Deebs]

Why? Spezza is hail mary trade. He's got one year left on his contract so term isn't important. Dallas wants him gone, so Montreal may even be able to get a plus in acquiring him.

Spezza is older and may have fallen off a cliff, but he's still a good possession player, he's good at generating scoring chances and shots. He's also an excellent face-off guy. There's a real chance he's got more left to give and was just buried in Dallas.

Unless theirs a real cost to him, it seems like a low downside move (assuming Tavares is off the table). Habs aren't likely to be good next season regardless.

He does nothing for us. Unless like you say we could move a high priced piece and they throw in a good draft pick in the deal, maybe, but it wouldn't be at the top of my list.

 

[417]

This maybe?

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/mckenzie-is-jack-johnson-on-the-habs-radar-1.1109091

This is where active listening comes in to play...not to mention that it's dangerous to take in information when you have pre-disposed biases at play.

At NO POINT in this discussion with Bob MacKenzie does HE confirm or even legitimize the "rumor" (and I use that term loosely) that the Montreal Canadiens are even interested in Jack Johnson.

He even says at some point "whether Montreal makes sense for him and vice versa, certainly remains to be seen...but the Montreal Canadiens are surely looking to bolster their blueline".

Yet you look at the headline of the link you provided and if you read the comments in this thread...it's like MacKenzie went on 690 this morning and confirmed the Habs are signing Jack Johnson to a deal worth 5-6M a year.

When the actual clip doesn't even come close to that.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I dont care whats happening about everything around Jack Johnson
Just speculations , talks , rumors from Bob Mckenzie , Renaud lavoie or Lebrun/McGuire even From Trump or Trudeau

Signing Jack Johnson 4 -5 years at 5m at the end should be enough for everyone with a common sense to buy a pitch fork and hunt Bergevin until found


It would be so freaking stupid and bad
We are already stuck with Alzeimer and Weber for 150 years

 

[Captain Mountain]

This is where active listening comes in to play...not to mention that it's dangerous to take in information when you have pre-disposed biases at play.

At NO POINT in this discussion with Bob MacKenzie does HE confirm or even legitimize the "rumor" (and I use that term loosely) that the Montreal Canadiens are even interested in Jack Johnson.

He even says at some point "whether Montreal makes sense for him and vice versa, certainly remains to be seen...but the Montreal Canadiens are surely looking to bolster their blueline".

Yet you look at the headline of the link you provided and if you read the comments in this thread...it's like MacKenzie went on 690 this morning and confirmed the Habs are signing Jack Johnson to a deal worth 5-6M a year.

When the actual clip doesn't even come close to that.

Huh? Its logical to take Friedman's comment linking the Habs and Johnson and McKenzie's comments on what JJ might be looking for and discuss that.

Like, its ridiculous to take Bergevin signing Johnson for big money as fait accompli, but its not like that's a common assumption on here.

 

[Captain Mountain]

He does nothing for us. Unless like you say we could move a high priced piece and they throw in a good draft pick in the deal, maybe, but it wouldn't be at the top of my list.

He's a better face-off guy than anyone Montreal has. He's possibly got more left in the tank, in which case he'd make either a good piece for the team now or a good rental.

And Spezza isn't on the top of anyone's list. No one is saying to go after him over Tavares. But I don't see him being some bad move for the team.

 

[417]

Huh? Its logical to take Friedman's comment linking the Habs and Johnson and McKenzie's comments on what JJ might be looking for and discuss that.

Like, its ridiculous to take Bergevin signing Johnson for big money as fait accompli, but its not like that's a common assumption on here.

Read this thread

 

[Captain Mountain]

Read this thread

I did. Seems to mostly be people saying they don't want Johnson.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I did. Seems to mostly be people saying they don't want Johnson.

I wonder why

Who wouldnt want a Washed up 32 year olds D-man overpaid for 5 years
Did we sign someone like this last year.... ah Yes Alzeimer

 

[Habaneros]

I did. Seems to mostly be people saying they don't want Johnson.

Woudnt surprise me to hear Habs kick tires on Scott Hartnell on the cheap 1 year deal ...line 3 /4

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Woudnt surprise me to hear Habs kick tires on Scott Hartnell on the cheap 1 year deal ...line 3 /4

Stop please habarenos , What if Bergevin read this forum

 

[le_sean]

13 years ago.........................................

Yeah for sure, I just meant that he never really became anything in the NHL despite being such a good NCAA player.

 

[Habaneros]

Stop please habarenos , What if Bergevin read this forum

Hartnell could still get ya 15 goals...much better than a Dman who scores 1 or 2..lol

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Hartnell could still get ya 15 goals...much better than a Dman who scores 1 or 2..lol

We already have 9 3rd liner that scores around 10-15 goals tho and Hartnell is not a dman?

 

[Captain Mountain]

Woudnt surprise me to hear Habs kick tires on Scott Hartnell on the cheap 1 year deal ...line 3 /4

Stop please habarenos , What if Bergevin read this forum

But if its a cheap deal, who really cares? I guess you can argue that young guys need ice time, but Montreal's winger prospects that actually have serious NHL futures are already getting ice-time.

And if Montreal's rebuilding, then they SHOULD be signing veterans to one year, cheap contracts. Toronto did it to great effect, they still have a 2nd this year because of that. Montreal doesn't get Danault and a 2nd from Chicago if they didn't take flier on Flash. Montreal needs picks and prospects. They should be looking for future rentals.

 

[Habaneros]

We already have 9 3rd liner that scores around 10-15 goals tho and Hartnell is not a dman?

Hartnell at 36 = Much better than Alex Hemsky

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

But if its a cheap deal, who really cares? I guess you can argue that young guys need ice time, but Montreal's winger prospects that actually have serious NHL futures are already getting ice-time.

And if Montreal's rebuilding, then they SHOULD be signing veterans to one year, cheap contracts. Toronto did it to great effect, they still have a 2nd this year because of that. Montreal doesn't get Danault and a 2nd from Chicago if they didn't take flier on Flash.

No man , why would we waste time on this

didnt we learn with Semin and Hemsky of this world , Let Carr play instead or Deslauriers. They will bring more on the table than Hartnell.

Its like resigning plekanec as a 4th liner for 2 years
Just give it to De La Rose

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Hartnell at 36 = Much better than Alex Hemsky

He was injured this whole year
Id put Hemsky on shootout over Hartnell over anyday of the week

 

[Habs Halifax]

We are safe... Hartnell is not signing with the Habs IMO. Johnson is an option for 1 year though to prove himself and getting a real shot to play with Weber. Call it a prove it contract year. Hard to predict what term he would get from any other team. If a team gives him a Alzner type contract, let him walk please.

 

[Habaneros]

He was injured this whole year
Id put Hemsky on shootout over Hartnell over anyday of the week

Is it legal to let a goalie take a shot in the shootout?

Let's say Carey Price takes off his pads, grabs a players stick ,and goes?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Is it legal to let a goalie take a shot in the shootout?

Let's say Carey Price takes off his pads, grabs a players stick ,and goes?

He can get out of his net , remember he cant do his grocery alone

 

[Captain Mountain]

No man , why would we waste time on this

didnt we learn with Semin and Hemsky of this world , Let Carr play instead or Deslauriers. They will bring more on the table than Hartnell.

Its like resigning plekanec as a 4th liner for 2 years
Just give it to De La Rose

If your making decisions to create guaranteed spots for guys like DLR, Deslaurier and even Carr, then you've already lost.

And look at what Montreal got for Flash and Weise. What Toronto got for rentals like Grabner and Polak a few years ago.

If the lesson you took from moves like Hemsky and Semin, which did not negatively impact the team at all, is that Montreal shouldn't sign cheap vets at all, then you learned the wrong lesson.

 

[417]

I did. Seems to mostly be people saying they don't want Johnson.

seems to me many have already admonished Bergevin for potentially signing JJ...