Rumor: Friedman: Avs have asked for, and gotten, permission to talk to Kyle Dubas

[Foppa2118]

Joe is holding out for Lamoriello and Hunter coming over with Dubas, before he feels like he's getting good enough value.

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

So what that seems to indicate is that Toronto blocked Dubas from a promotion. Stay classy TO.

That's a massive leap. Why would they give permission in the first place? It's possible Dubas simply wasn't interested when he knows what he's apart of now and will take over eventually.

 

[AvsMakar08]

That's a massive leap. Why would they give permission in the first place? It's possible Dubas simply wasn't interested when he knows what he's apart of now and will take over eventually.

There is someone else in the line of front of him.

 

[strictlyrandy]

That's a massive leap. Why would they give permission in the first place? It's possible Dubas simply wasn't interested when he knows what he's apart of now and will take over eventually.

Everything I've heard is that Dubas had a lot of interest about joining the Avs.

 

[hughdreamz]

So I've heard 2 things...

AJ and Dater said that Dubas was ready to sign with the Avs for a similar job with the promise of promotion in the near future.

Mackenzie said that upper management went over Sakic's head to interview Dubas.

Those are two very conflicting reports. I don't know if we have the full truth yet.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

So I've heard 2 things...

AJ and Dater said that Dubas was ready to sign with the Avs for a similar job with the promise of promotion in the near future.

Mackenzie said that upper management went over Sakic's head to interview Dubas.

Those are two very conflicting reports. I don't know if we have the full truth yet.

Think about the names of the sources you just listed.

 

[Ararana]

I'm a huge supporter of BSN and truly believe they have sources inside the Avs. But McKenzie is #1 here.

I wouldn't put it pas Toronto to be feeding some less than truthful information to McKenzie , but the things Bob said make Toronto look even worse so I have no idea.

Don't go crazy over it, it's not happening anyway.

 

[Balthazar]

Mackenzie said that upper management went over Sakic's head to interview Dubas.

No he didn't. He said that ownership asked for permission to talk to him. For all we know, Sakic could go have asked ownership to ask for permission.

 

[tigervixxxen]

If Josh was truly going over Sakic to get rid of him then that's absolutely something you don't go halfway with.

 

[henchman21]

If Josh was truly going over Sakic to get rid of him then that's absolutely something you don't go halfway with.

That is why I don't think it happened that way. I can see ownership taking the lead for Sakic's replacement, but I bet Sakic gave his blessing.

 

[Freudian]

Am I missing something here? Isn't it completely standard for the president of a team (Josh Kroenke) to ask for permission to talk to another teams front office member?

 

[henchman21]

Am I missing something here? Isn't it completely standard for the president of a team (Josh Kroenke) to ask for permission to talk to another teams front office member?

Yes and no... standard procedure in a lot of ways. GMs typically take over for lower front office jobs... assistant GM, head scout, etc. Presidents for higher jobs like GMs, President of Hockey Ops, etc.

 

[JLo217]

Something to consider is maybe Josh was involved because of the Nuggets personnel that went to TOR a bit ago? Maybe that relationship was established already. Really don't see it being more than that. Someone even mentioned they had a past relationship in dealings like this.

 

[Freudian]

Yes and no... standard procedure in a lot of ways. GMs typically take over for lower front office jobs... assistant GM, head scout, etc. Presidents for higher jobs like GMs, President of Hockey Ops, etc.

The ownership groups had previous contacts when Ujiri went to Raptors as well.

I'm sure if McKenzie wanted to imply that Avs went behind the back of Sakic trying to replace him he would say so. That would be the story here.

 

[henchman21]

The ownership groups had previous contacts when Ujiri went to Raptors as well.

I'm sure if McKenzie wanted to imply that Avs went behind the back of Sakic trying to replace him he would say so.

And Ujiri went to the highest level basketball position in the organization. That makes sense.

 

[Avs_19]

Well, Dreger just went and made this thing even more strange with his comments today. He said the Leafs gave the Avs permission to speak with Dubas because they believed the two sides were going to swap philosophical ideas or work on analytics but they didn't think the Avs were trying to actually hire Dubas.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Well, Dreger just went and made this thing even more strange with his comments today. He said the Leafs gave the Avs permission to speak with Dubas because they believed the two sides were going to swap philosophical ideas or work on analytics but they didn't think the Avs were trying to actually hire Dubas.

That sounds like BS to me. Probably trying to save face for blocking a possible promotion.

 

[tigervixxxen]

That sounds like BS to me. Probably trying to save face for blocking a possible promotion.

I agree, it sounds completely stupid

"Oh hey, while you are here, Josh's office is just right down the hall"

 

[Avs_19]

That sounds like BS to me. Probably trying to save face for blocking a possible promotion.

Yup. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Foppberg]

And it is Dreger, so.

 

[henchman21]

That really seems like a plant by Toronto.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I'm sure the Avs had real interest but the leak and everything about this story just seems like whoever leaked it and the Toronto media using it for their benefit.

 

[Avs44]

Well, Dreger just went and made this thing even more strange with his comments today. He said the Leafs gave the Avs permission to speak with Dubas because they believed the two sides were going to swap philosophical ideas or work on analytics but they didn't think the Avs were trying to actually hire Dubas.

That sounds like a load of BS, and Toronto once again using Dreger. "Oh...you mean...you meant you wanted to hire our guy?! We thought you just asked permission to have a few drinks! Well in that case we just have to say no, sorry for the big misunderstanding!"


This only reinforces what Friedman said in my view. Avs like Dubas, Dubas liked the Avs, Avs offered him the job, and Toronto suddenly revoked permission. Kind of pathetic on their part, all in all.

 

[Bender]

That sounds like a load of BS, and Toronto once again using Dreger. "Oh...you mean...you meant you wanted to hire our guy?! We thought you just asked permission to have a few drinks! Well in that case we just have to say no, sorry for the big misunderstanding!"


This only reinforces what Friedman said in my view. Avs like Dubas, Dubas liked the Avs, Avs offered him the job, and Toronto suddenly revoked permission. Kind of pathetic on their part, all in all.

If all that is true, the only thing that doesn't add up is why Dubas would sign an extension with the Leafs when all he needed to do was wait until his deal expired and then sign with the Avs. There are still missing pieces to this story.

If I was under contract and the team I worked for gave permission for me to talk with another club about a position, [let's face it...that's the ONLY REASON you even need permission] and I worked out an agreement for a PROMOTION and my employer lifted the rug up from under me...I'd be pretty upset and I certainly wouldn't sign a contract extension when it's set to expire in a few weeks.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I guess the extension ensures he can only be hired for the promotion later on down the road but pretty much if he wants to come to Colorado then he doesn't sign it.