Rumor: Friedman: “Habs management has been told to rebuild and stock up on picks and prospects.”

[Adriatic]

You think with the talent they had they could of even won 2 without Roy?

Lets say they get Fuhr or Richter or Hasek or Potvin could COL have taken a few cups?

With Hasek they win 4 cups no doubt, with the others I'm sure they win one. They were going up against elite big spending teams like Red Wings and Dallas at that time, every little addition made a difference.

 

[scrubadam]

With Hasek they win 4 cups no doubt, with the others I'm sure they win one. They were going up against elite big spending teams like Red Wings and Dallas at that time, every little addition made a difference.

Good point. I could see at least 1 cup without Roy but not 2. I don't think they win 96 without him.

Those old days of the 90's where some teams could triple or more other teams spendings. The no cap era, what a different era of hockey.

Which brings me to one of my original points which is I think Roy was traded anyways due to $$$. Molson basically sold off everything from 93 that was good and the team was in the dark ages until they sold the team. Even though Montreal today is looked at as a big market I think back then we were a medium tier market and couldn't compete with the Detroits/COL/Dallas/Rangers teams.

 

[Cobra Commander]

We need center prospects and left defense prospects.

Bergevin are you listening?

 

[nhlfan9191]

Good point. I could see at least 1 cup without Roy but not 2. I don't think they win 96 without him.

Those old days of the 90's where some teams could triple or more other teams spendings. The no cap era, what a different era of hockey.

Which brings me to one of my original points which is I think Roy was traded anyways due to $$$. Molson basically sold off everything from 93 that was good and the team was in the dark ages until they sold the team. Even though Montreal today is looked at as a big market I think back then we were a medium tier market and couldn't compete with the Detroits/COL/Dallas/Rangers teams.

They win 96 with a top 15 goalie. It was 2001 where he shined. And not just because he won the Smythe the one year and not the other.

 

[OldCraig71]

I hear that Mike Hoffman might be available.

 

[tazsub3]

I hear that Mike Hoffman might be available.

Or his wife is.....

 

[Pickles]

Good point. I could see at least 1 cup without Roy but not 2. I don't think they win 96 without him.

Those old days of the 90's where some teams could triple or more other teams spendings. The no cap era, what a different era of hockey.

Which brings me to one of my original points which is I think Roy was traded anyways due to $$$. Molson basically sold off everything from 93 that was good and the team was in the dark ages until they sold the team. Even though Montreal today is looked at as a big market I think back then we were a medium tier market and couldn't compete with the Detroits/COL/Dallas/Rangers teams.

You honestly believe they would have won a cup with Fiset and Thibault? I doubt that very much. Roy was the final piece of the puzzle.

 

[Habs76]

Or his wife is.....

Hoffman's GF is a character player

 

[Kriss E]

I narrowed in on the Flyers, since I don't think they'd be interested. Based on where they are and their present assets. I didn't disagree with the rest, I'm specifically talking about the Flyers.

Price was legitimately awful last year. And he's now 3 seasons away from being a top-5 player in the NHL. with injury concerns. I think he'll bounce back somewhat, but his value is not what it once was and interest will adjust accordingly.

Again, get an idea from their fans, but I don't think you're likely to see much interest, if any, in Price. Regardless of return.

I think Price still has a good reputation. Yes, he was bad last year, but I mean, did you see our team?
I don't believe any GM looks at his last season and puts any blame on him.
Injury concern, yea, that is more the issue. Whether he will bounce back or not isn't.

As for their fans, I'm not going to waste much time. It doesn't mean anything and I'm talking about the organization, not what their fans think.

In any event, we can move on from this now.

 

[Runner77]

I hear that Mike Hoffman might be available.

On Tinder to our female posting base?

One thing is for sure -- he'll back you up if you pull some crap.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

You think with the talent they had they could of even won 2 without Roy?

Lets say they get Fuhr or Richter or Hasek or Potvin could COL have taken a few cups?

I doubt they'd have won any cups. Detroit wins in '96 if Roy isn't there and Brodeur beats them later on.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

They win 96 with a top 15 goalie. It was 2001 where he shined. And not just because he won the Smythe the one year and not the other.

Against Detroit? I don't think so.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Against Detroit? I don't think so.

I do.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I do.

Detroit was favoured going into that series. Two powerhouses and one of them added a HOF goalie... that was the difference. Thibeault wasn't going to beat the Wings.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Detroit was favoured going into that series. Two powerhouses and one of them added a HOF goalie... that was the difference. Thibeault wasn't going to beat the Wings.

I never said Thibault was. He was an underwhelming mess in our jersey. The Avalanche could’ve made do a middle pack starter a lot like the goalies in this era can. Roy was a stud in 2001 which is a big reason they won. 96 they could’ve gotten by. You’re giving to much credit to Roy in 96. Of coarse he played a part, but he didn’t streal them that cup.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I never said Thibault was. He was an underwhelming mess in our jersey. The Avalanche could’ve made do a middle pack starter a lot like the goalies in this era can. Roy was a stud in 2001 which is a big reason they won. 96 they could’ve gotten by. You’re giving to much credit to Roy in 96. Of coarse he played a part, but he didn’t streal them that cup.

I didn't say he stole it, I said that he was the difference between two powerhouse teams.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I didn't say he stole it, I said that he was the difference between two powerhouse teams.

I personally don’t think he was. And I love Roy. But I respect your opinion Guy.

 

[JianYang]

I personally don’t think he was. And I love Roy. But I respect your opinion Guy.

I don't remember how good Roy was in that series, but I do remember the wings were a complete powerhouse, and the clear favourites..... And that's saying something because that avs team had alot of talent too.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I personally don’t think he was. And I love Roy. But I respect your opinion Guy.

The Wings got to him in a few of those games but he did shut them down quite a bit in that series. Anyways, free to disagree.

Whether he was the difference or not though, I always thought it was ironic that the Wings beat the Habs in that 10-0 game (or whatever it was) only to see Montreal trade Roy to Colorado because of it. It's very possible that the shellacking they gave to the Habs that night cost them a few cups.

 

[Andrei79]

I don't remember how good Roy was in that series, but I do remember the wings were a complete powerhouse, and the clear favourites..... And that's saying something because that avs team had alot of talent too.

Powerhouse is the word.

I really believe that was the best team, on paper, probably since the Oilers.


Can you imagine having a top 4 of Coffey, Lidstrom, Fetisov and Konstantinov ?

Or being able to ice Yzerman, Fedorov, Larionov and Primeau down the middle ?

 

[nhlfan9191]

The Wings got to him in a few of those games but he did shut them down quite a bit in that series. Anyways, free to disagree.

Whether he was the difference or not though, I always thought it was ironic that the Wings beat the Habs in that 10-0 game (or whatever it was) only to see Montreal trade Roy to Colorado because of it. It's very possible that the shellacking they gave to the Habs that night cost them a few cups.

He was traded to the reincarnation of Quebec and had some great series against the team that chased him out of town in here. The stories in today’s game just don’t compare.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I hear that Mike Hoffman might be available.

He's been available all season pretty much. Sens asking price is high.

They should see if Colorado would take him in lieu of that 1st rd draft pick they owe.

Hoffman & Batherson to complete the Duchene deal over a 1st. If they get Zadina this year that replaces Hoffman. And taking the pressure off for next year allows then to tank and they will get a better center than Batherson guaranteed.

Hell throw in this year's 22nd pick if you have to, but it is in the best interests of Ottawa to try and get out of giving up their own 1st this year or next.

Once they get out from that, recoup picks by trading Karlsson. They could get another 1st this year & next year, probably a 2nd too & some high end prospects.

Edit:
Forget the Hoffman thing. After tonight's reports, I can't see any team in the NHL wanting him.

Still, the point stands. Sens should do something about that 1st they owe Colorado.

 

[scrubadam]

You honestly believe they would have won a cup with Fiset and Thibault? I doubt that very much. Roy was the final piece of the puzzle.

They could of traded for another goalie instead of Roy.

Rucinsky/Kovalenko/Thibault were good trade bait at the time, any combo of those 3 could of got them a guy a tier below Roy.

They were a stacked team. They MAY have been good enough or maybe not. Still one of the top teams back then I think. That was the question though were the AVS stacked enough to win a cup without Roy.

Someone else replied they wouldn't have gotten past Detroit or Dallas and I think thats a fair assesment.

 

[Shad]

We're in a really weird spot to rebuild.

Also, rebuilding is never a good thing. Think Edmonton, Buffalo, and Arizona rather than Chicago and Pittsburgh.

The grass is always greener, the team isn't as terrible as some around here like to think. It doesn't make sense to blow it up just yet.

 

[ECWHSWI]

We're in a really weird spot to rebuild.

Also, rebuilding is never a good thing. Think Edmonton, Buffalo, and Arizona rather than Chicago and Pittsburgh.

The grass is always greener, the team isn't as terrible as some around here like to think. It doesn't make sense to blow it up just yet.

why ? ? ?