Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 4

[Senscore]

It's amusing that, on the main boards, when these guys are offered in trade proposals they are absolutely terrible players with no redeeming qualities, but when they are waived, they are irreplaceable pieces of hockey talent.

I feel the same way about t shirts and hats that come free in beer cases.

 

[NyQuil]

I feel the same way about t shirts and hats that come free in beer cases.

Everyone is an extra large!

 

[Micklebot]

We currently have a 19 man roster, MacEwen and Kelly can't be replaced by cheaper options as they are on league min or less deals.

At this point, Joseph, Kubalik, Brannstrom and Kastelic are the only guys that could be realistically swapped out for a saving.

1.7 mil as of now to fit in Pinto and any other body you want with the club. You can run with 20 and paper transaction Guénette or call him up only for the days he is needed, though unless they really think he'll play, Heatherington makes less so is probably the better option

I see no way Bailey is signed unless we're sending him (or Kelly/MacEwen) to Belleville until this is resolved

 

[Micklebot]

Everyone is an extra large!

They know their target demographics...

 

[Bileur]

I feel the same way about t shirts and hats that come free in beer cases.

I worked at the beer store mid 2000s. I remember a Molson promo where we had a 5 foot Stanley cup cut-out.

I must have been asked literally 1000 times by customers whether they could have them (immediately or after the promo was done).

 

[NyQuil]

I worked at the beer store mid 2000s. I remember a Molson promo where we had a 5 foot Stanley cup cut-out.

I must have been asked literally 1000 times by customers whether they could have them (immediately or after the promo was done).

I probably shouldn't have walked into your store 1000 times.

 

[Liver King]

Hopefully, Pinto can sign a 1-year deal with a handshake agreement on an extension in Jan.

We would run a small roster but not have to lose anybody

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Random thought but would anyone do:

OTT: Lafreniere

NYR: Pinto, Joseph

I don’t particularly want to trade Pinto but just a thought.

Rangers cannot do that cap wise.

Pinto for Lafreniere would make sense value wise, and marketing wise for the Senators - but maybe not in terms of team makeup unless Lafreniere or someone else can successfully transition to C.

 

[Korpse]

What's the worse plan, run with a 20 man roster, or have 21-23 guys but the 20 that hit the ice aren't as good?

The 20 man roster sounds worse, if it’s a role player you are removing to allow for extra roster spots.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Lfg with the Pinto contract

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Proposal

To NSH:
Kubalik ($2.5m cap)

To OTT:
Trenin w. 25% ret. ($1.275m cap)

Rationale: Trenin is an NHL player, good bottom 6er with physicality and a touch of offence. Kubalik would have a good shot at playing on Nashville's top line with Forsberg & O'Reilly; at the very least, he'd be their 2nd or 3rd best goal scoring option.

SIGN - Pinto, 1yr x 1.8m
--------------------------------

Tkachuk - Stützle - Giroux
Batherson - Norris - Tarasenko
Smejkal - Pinto - Joseph
Trenin - Kastelic - MacEwan

Chabot - Chychrun
Sanderson - Zub
Brannstrom - Hamonic

Korpisalo
Forsberg

Cap space = 1,000,453
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Sign Bailey and put him in the AHL on paper; Jarventie, Greig,Highmore, Bailey, Kelly, Chartier, Reinhardt available as FWD call-ups; Guenette, Kleven, Matinpalo, JBD available as D call-ups; Sogaard, Mandolese, Merilainen available as G call-ups.

 

[TheNewEra]

We currently have a 19 man roster, MacEwen and Kelly can't be replaced by cheaper options as they are on league min or less deals.

At this point, Joseph, Kubalik, Brannstrom and Kastelic are the only guys that could be realistically swapped out for a saving.

1.7 mil as of now to fit in Pinto and any other body you want with the club. You can run with 20 and paper transaction Guénette or call him up only for the days he is needed, though unless they really think he'll play, Heatherington makes less so is probably the better option

I see no way Bailey is signed unless we're sending him (or Kelly/MacEwen) to Belleville until this is resolved

If we get pinto to take 1.65 instead of 1.7 we can sign Bailey and send down Kelly since Kelly would be removed from our cap completely if in the ahl

I don't like Kellys play and think we have better internal options but he is still better than Bailey

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don't think we should go through any gymnastics to sign Bailey... They have players on waivers that have been better than Bailey

 

[Agent Zub]

It's amusing that, on the main boards, when these guys are offered in trade proposals they are absolutely terrible players with no redeeming qualities, but when they are waived, they are irreplaceable pieces of hockey talent.

its the same here though. when they are on the roster or in the farm they are unwaivable future nhlers, but on waivers they dont even have a nhl future lol

 

[BS45]

Rangers cannot do that cap wise.

Pinto for Lafreniere would make sense value wise, and marketing wise for the Senators - but maybe not in terms of team makeup unless Lafreniere or someone else can successfully transition to C.

Since the senators would need someone to play center-
Would Ottawa do Lafreniere and Goodrow for Pinto and Tarasenko?
Looks like the cap works out for Ottawa.
3,641,367 + 2,325,000= 5,966,367 NYR to OTT
5,000,000 + 1,000,000 (OTT offer to Pinto)= 6,000,000 OTT to NYR

 

[NyQuil]

its the same here though. when they are on the roster or in the farm they are unwaivable future nhlers, but on waivers they dont even have a nhl future lol

I think most people here see them as organizational depth.

It depends on how much you value it or not.

Belleville still needs to put a team on the ice. Getting rid of that middle layer kind of screws them over.

Since the senators would need someone to play center-
Would Ottawa do Lafreniere and Goodrow for Pinto and Tarasenko?
Looks like the cap works out for Ottawa.
3,641,367 + 2,325,000= 5,966,367 NYR to OTT
5,000,000 + 1,000,000 (OTT offer to Pinto)= 6,000,000 OTT to NYR

Lafreniere and Pinto are a wash right now, and Tarasenko is more valuable than Goodrow to this team.

So no.

 

[TheNewEra]

I don't think we should go through any gymnastics to sign Bailey... They have players on waivers that have been better than Bailey

I fully agree

But he played for DJ before so we might as well accept it

I wasn't joking when I said this was Staios' first big test

 

[bert]

Rangers cannot do that cap wise.

Pinto for Lafreniere would make sense value wise, and marketing wise for the Senators - but maybe not in terms of team makeup unless Lafreniere or someone else can successfully transition to C.

I would not trade Pinto for Lafreniere.

I fully agree

But he played for DJ before so we might as well accept it

I wasn't joking when I said this was Staios' first big test

People are jumping to conclusions here. There is no way Bailey gets a 1 way with the cap crunch this team is in unless they trade Joseph. If he accepts a two way deal thats the only way he keeps playing. Which I dont think is out of the question.

 

[Agent Zub]

if there was ever a player who played to specifically not make the team or get a contract it would be be Bailey.

but if he makes wtf is even ptos or training camps for?

 

[bert]

Since the senators would need someone to play center-
Would Ottawa do Lafreniere and Goodrow for Pinto and Tarasenko?
Looks like the cap works out for Ottawa.
3,641,367 + 2,325,000= 5,966,367 NYR to OTT
5,000,000 + 1,000,000 (OTT offer to Pinto)= 6,000,000 OTT to NYR

Absolutely not. Wouldnt trade Pinto 1 for 1 for Lafreniere. He looks better already, has way more run way in his development and he plays a way more valuable position.

 

[NyQuil]

 

[bert]

We currently have a 19 man roster, MacEwen and Kelly can't be replaced by cheaper options as they are on league min or less deals.

At this point, Joseph, Kubalik, Brannstrom and Kastelic are the only guys that could be realistically swapped out for a saving.

1.7 mil as of now to fit in Pinto and any other body you want with the club. You can run with 20 and paper transaction Guénette or call him up only for the days he is needed, though unless they really think he'll play, Heatherington makes less so is probably the better option

I see no way Bailey is signed unless we're sending him (or Kelly/MacEwen) to Belleville until this is resolved

Could they send down Kelly and sign Bailey to a league minimum? Or can they send down Kelly and keep up Smejkal?

 

[Micklebot]

The 20 man roster sounds worse, if it’s a role player you are removing to allow for extra roster spots.

If we run with a 20 man roster, and call up guys exclusively for game days, we can stretch ~700k to cover two extra bodies at league min.

We can stretch it further by not doing it on home stands or short distance road trips, and even more so if someone ends up on LTIR at some point.

Ideally we make a trade to free up space, a 20 man roster is tough to do all year.

 

[TheNewEra]

I would not trade Pinto for Lafreniere.


People are jumping to conclusions here. There is no way Bailey gets a 1 way with the cap crunch this team is in unless they trade Joseph. If he accepts a two way deal thats the only way he keeps playing. Which I dont think is out of the question.

I truly hope you are right, logic (based off cap) should mean that you are right. However about one third of the pto signings have been resolved so we are keeping him around for a reason and which is concerning

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

1 vs 2-way deal makes no difference for Bailey. All that matters is cap hit, which needs to be near league min in order for it to make sense.