Speculation: Frank Servalli says Laine/Ehlers could be trade bait for Winnipeg

[nbwingsfan]

I don't know what that has to do with anything, but Jersey in 2012 - Adam Henrique. I'm sure there are more.

So one time 8 years ago when they had two star winger? Yeah, having Danault as your #1C is a recipe for disaster

 

[Xirik]

This doesn't do anything for the Jets, and I'm a devils fan. Zacha would maybe be of some interest for the Jets since he's not a complete loss as a middle 6 center, but why would they want Palm or Foote when the idea is moving wingers out to build a more well rounded team? And I don't know if Zacha is a step up from what they have already.

The Devils won't ever trade Nico in this situation, so the only reasonable bartering chip the Devils would have that may be of interest to the Jets that would have any sort of value would be Severson, but I don't know what their needs on the back end actually are. And if any deal starts with Severson, that likely means it's a deal that is pieced together from smaller parts, which Jets fans will hate I have no doubt. You're talking about a significant adds with Severson being a main piece as well.

It gets them high quality depth who can play now and will give them an extra 3-4 million of extra cap space that Signing Laine would have costed.

 

[Gurglesons]

your ability to judge trades comes into question when you think Danault+ a good prospect that hasn't cut it into the NHL yet + magic bean is better then what I offered from the Devils.

Danault = Zacha
until he proves himself
Palmieri > Caufield
The Habs 1st would probably be in the 15th-20th range so you might get someone as good as Foote in that range but Foote will have 1 year of development on him.

Palmieri is a UFA at the end of the year and Zacha = Danault is certainly an overstatement.

Danault up nearly half of Zacha’s career production last year. And was on pace to do the same this year.

 

[10Ducky10]

It starts with Suzuki and add from there, otherwise buh-bye.
By the way, Laine sin't being traded.
Serevalli is a 32 year old hack.

 

[Garbageyuk]

So one time 8 years ago when they had two star winger? Yeah, having Danault as your #1C is a recipe for disaster

Did you miss the other 5 or so teams I posted?

 

[Xirik]

Palmieri is a UFA at the end of the year and Zacha = Danault is certainly an overstatement.

who would probably sign for 5,500,000. way Less then what Laine is asking for and it gives you players you can use right now which is what the Jets need.

 

[Sensfourlife]

Again my offer for Laine ok I changed it up.

5th overall
Logan Brown
Brannstrom

cheers

 

[Gurglesons]

who would probably sign for 5,500,000. way Less then what Laine is asking for and it gives you players you can use right now which is what the Jets need.

Winnipeg literally has three centers that are Zacha quality in Roslovic, Lowry and Copp if they want to go cheap there.

I like Zacha as a player, but that deal is like something you’d hear on late night Devils hockey talk if such a thing existed.

 

[The Nightman]

your ability to judge trades comes into question when you think Danault+ a good prospect that hasn't cut it into the NHL yet + magic bean is better then what I offered from the Devils.

Danault = Zacha
until he proves himself
Palmieri > Caufield
The Habs 1st would probably be in the 15th-20th range so you might get someone as good as Foote in that range but Foote will have 1 year of development on him.

In what world is Zacha equal to Danault?

Also, 50 point Palmieri at 30 years old doesn’t have more value than Caufield

 

[Garbageyuk]

Yup. Danault is worth more in return than Laine... And Jet fans are being called unreasonable.

Earlier in the thread, you suggested Roslovic for Danault+Caufield+1st was fair value. I don't think you should be talking.

 

[TS Quint]

It's obvious that his shot is his best asset. He doesn't have terrible vision and play making skills but he does have defensive flaws or lack of commitment. He focuses on that this past year yes. But if he was as good as you think... He'd be putting up 40+ goals and 80+ pts year after year. He came close to that this past year.

On the Habs? Not so sure the results are the same (from past years) with the top 6 depth we had. Moving forward, I can see Laine doing well with either Suzuki or KK. This is why we are interested so much.

Tell me again how good I said Laine is. Quote it......nope just another straw man.

I also love how you think how good he is at goal scoring makes his playmaking worse.

what are you doing here? Just a bunch of made up BS to lower his fantasy trade value? LOL.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Roslovic and Danault are quite different in calibre, as far as roster players go, in case you didn't notice. An elite defensive 2 way center, a 1st, and a prospect is a good package for Laine, a one-dimensional goal scoring winger. Pacioretty returned a roster player, a prospect, and a 2nd. It's debatable as to whether Laine is better than Pacioretty, but he is younger, so the pick is upgraded to a 1st.

Patches had a bad season, and was UFA to be.

He was traded for a roster player who was considered a cap dump at the time (Tatar). It's not a good offer.

 

[TS Quint]

Yes. Do Jets fans really not realize how unique of a player Laine is because they have Connor?

Laine has the 7th most goals at his age in NHL history. Why would you trade that? And if you’re reason is because Ehlers or Wheeler, you’re just straight up wrong.

Laine very easily could put up 90-100 pts next year. NHL curving shows that the next couple years will be his prime.

I have no idea why you are directing this jibberish at me. Never said any of it. Just sound more of you talking about made talking points.

tell us more about your Selanne to Laine analogy.

 

[10Ducky10]

Again my offer for Laine ok I changed it up.

5th overall
Logan Brown
Brannstrom

cheers

I'd do that if the 5th was the 3rd.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Did you miss the other 5 or so teams I posted?

Sorry *twice* on two teams who lost. Posting teams from over twenty years ago before the lockout in an entirely different NHL is pretty irrelevant

 

[Garbageyuk]

Patches had a bad season, and was UFA to be.

He was traded for a roster player who was considered a cap dump at the time (Tatar). It's not a good offer.

An extension was agreed to by Vegas and Pacioretty before the trade was finalized, the trade was contingent on it.

 

[Dache]

I said elite defensive, then I mentioned 2-way. I didn't simply say "elite 2-way".

Oh I know, but he’s not a 2 way player. He’s a defensive center. You’re awful quick to say Laine is one dimensional but yet give Danault credit for being offensive.

 

[Gurglesons]

I have no idea why you are directing this jibberish at me. Never said any of it. Just sound more of you talking about made talking points.

tell us more about your Selanne to Laine analogy.

Selanne was moved due to contract concerns four years into his career.

 

[Daximus]

Habs offer fills 3 needs. Center, Scoring winger to replace Laine, and a RD prospect. Blues 2nd is bonus.

Domi, Caufield, Blues 2nd, Fleury > Necas and Pesce: But if you feel that offer is better, all the power to you. I don't see it how you do. I think you regret that trade. Don't you realize Necas did not play top 2C with the Canes? His min's went from 18, 17, 11, 10, 8 in his last 5 games in the playoffs? He was playing 4th line? You going to overlook that but also jump on Domi's back? That's disingenuous or you just don't know the context at play.

I would't trade Domi for Necas. Domi is heading into prime years and is way more proven.

That's fine because we know more than you about our needs and what we are after. So you can talk all you want about Domi but Jets fans won't bite. We'll just be over here hoping for the Carolina deal while you talk yourself in circles.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Sorry *twice* on two teams who lost. Posting teams from over twenty years ago before the lockout in an entirely different NHL is pretty irrelevant

You asked the question; I answered it. Quit moving the goalposts. And it was more than two:

NJD, 2012 - Adam Henrique
NYR, 2014 - Derek Stepan
CGY, 2004 - Craig Conroy
NJD, 2003 - Scott Gomez
ANA, 2003 - Petr Sykora
BUF, 1999 - Mike Peca

Just take the L on this one and move on.

 

[Captain Mountain]

That having him as your #1C will is clearly an issue...?

Why? Even ignoring the examples Garbageyuk brought up, 1st line as a concept applies to ES. Over the last 3 seasons, his ES point production C comparables are Backstrom, Couture, Karlsson, Domi, Krejci, Larkin, E. Staal, Getzlaf and Zibanjead. Over that same period He's got an ES goal differential of 55.56 (which is great) and fantastic underlying numbers. This season his ES production comparables were Scheifele and Barzal and his ES goal differential of 59.29 and fantastic underlying numbers. I'm not sure how any of that is an issue.

And Danault doesn't play the PP that much, so it doesn't matter that much that he hasn't been effective there. The issue is that Montreal hasn't been able to take advantage of Danault's ability to outscore and outchance top competition at ES and play heavy PK minutes effectively by adding PP/offensive specialists that can be sheltered at ES. Its why they were able to have Kovalchuk look ok this season.

I'm not arguing Danault's trade value, I want Montreal to pay him and keep him. But him playing 1C for Montreal has been far from their biggest issue.

 

[ole ole]

Danault = Zacha
until he proves himself
Palmieri > Caufield

 

[Garbageyuk]

Oh I know, but he’s not a 2 way player. He’s a defensive center. You’re awful quick to say Laine is one dimensional but yet give Danault credit for being offensive.

A center who is elite defensively while putting up 50+ points isn't a 2-way player? Lol, ok bud. 50 points is top 6 production. What kind of defense does Laine provide lol?

 

[Chayos]

RNH and Nurse for Laine and Lowry

 

[Dache]

A center who is elite defensively while putting up 50+ points isn't a 2-way player? Lol, ok bud. 50 points is top 6 production. What kind of defense does Laine provide lol?

50 pts is not top 6 production on a contender and you know it.