Line Combos: Forward line-up: what would you do?

[GNP]

Loving the Jets fast tempo and intensity.

 

[Neuf]

So Lowry can get and hold possession (and score)
Tanev can skate and pass like a beauty
Copp....
That's a lot of minutes...
Throw a skill guy there?

 

[jgimp]

So Lowry can get and hold possession (and score)
Tanev can skate and pass like a beauty
Copp....
That's a lot of minutes...
Throw a skill guy there?

Tanev/Lowry/Roslo??

 

[Tommigun]

How are some poster referring to the Ehlers contract as bad Back to back 60+ points and metrics pointing to him being a top 4 Jets forward in terms of impact.. He signed a sweetheart deal and could easily have gotten more imo.
I could definitely see them moving one of Ehlers or Connor in the next couple of years. If ends up being Ehlers, karma would suggest that Connor doesn't sign for less than 8 mil.

Ehlers was tearing the league up in the first line last year, when Connor was gifted his spot. He has been pretty mismanaged ever since. I can't believe people are saying it's a bad contract.

 

[PhilJets]

Put

Schiefele
Wheeler
Perrault
Lowry

In 4 different lines.

Mix the rest of the forward groups.

Except
Little and Laine together...

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Connor was gifted his spot

Yes. Because he's bereft of talent.

Gifted to me says that a player does not deserve to be in a certain position: KC has obviously proven that he has the skill level and the right "game" for what they're looking for on that first line. Ehlers is incredibly talented and I love him as a player, but KC brings things that Ehlers does not. KC may have been given a shot at the 1st line and was sheltered by QoT, but he also made good on the opportunity as he has the talent to make it work.

The experiment that Maurice is running probably needs to end, but by my thinking: they wanted a strong 1st and 2nd line, and that's what they're trying to "force" with the current deployments. It's probably time for a change, as it's not producing the results we'd all want.

At this stage, I'm actually more worried about our defense right now than the forward crew - without the appropriate support from the back end, I think we're going to see more games like last night.

 

[Tommigun]

Yes. Because he's bereft of talent.

Gifted to me says that a player does not deserve to be in a certain position: KC has obviously proven that he has the skill level and the right "game" for what they're looking for on that first line. Ehlers is incredibly talented and I love him as a player, but KC brings things that Ehlers does not. KC may have been given a shot at the 1st line and was sheltered by QoT, but he also made good on the opportunity as he has the talent to make it work.

The experiment that Maurice is running probably needs to end, but by my thinking: they wanted a strong 1st and 2nd line, and that's what they're trying to "force" with the current deployments. It's probably time for a change, as it's not producing the results we'd all want.

At this stage, I'm actually more worried about our defense right now than the forward crew - without the appropriate support from the back end, I think we're going to see more games like last night.

Oh don't get me wrong, Connor has been absolutely fantastic in that spot. But I was talking from Ehlers's perspective and his contract being "bad" according to some, that Ehlers was producing like crazy in that spot before he was taken off it. 12 points in the first 10 games IIRC.

 

[Jack722]

The experiment that Maurice is running probably needs to end,

Seems a little bit of an understatement. Or is this a special English idiom I'm missing?


Call a spade a spade: Maurice is trying to make friends with the people capable of costing him his job.

Let's see how it plays out.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Seems a little bit of an understatement. Or is this a special English idiom I'm missing?


Call a spade a spade: Maurice is trying to make friends with the people capable of costing him his job.

Let's see how it plays out.

I'm not one for hyperbole. I leave that to others.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

So, how many games will it take until PoMo starts feeling the heat and the blender comes out?

 

[Howard Chuck]

Put

Schiefele
Wheeler
Perrault
Lowry

In 4 different lines.

Mix the rest of the forward groups.

Except
Little and Laine together...

I'm starting to think that Wheeler is reaping the benefits of playing with Scheifele. Switch Laine and Wheeler and see what each of them produces.

 

[CaptainChef]

So, how many games will it take until PoMo starts feeling the heat and the blender comes out?

30-40 games or more as long as we're above 500. He's a very patient (ie, stubborn) man who is easily bought out by players he feels have the most influence.

 

[Neuf]

CSW is terrible
ELL is ineffective
CLT is best contribution overall
I don't think I missed any lines

I'm really thinking we need to maximize Lowry. Put Connor in for Copp?

ESW gets Ehlers his first NHL goal
PLL one time held possession
KCLT adds some scoring and is hardly a downgrade in minutes for Connor
ACRL adds some defense and experience

 

[Farmboy Patty]

30-40 games or more as long as we're above 500. He's a very patient (ie, stubborn) man who is easily bought out by players he feels have the most influence.

I really hope that this isn't the case. It would not surprise me though if Wheeler has too much to say in the line up decisions. He should switch places with Laine and be playing on the 2nd line with Little. That shake up could get both top lines going instantly.

 

[Shaibu]

Maurice-Wheeler-Scheifele is the trio that run this team. Blame them. If something is wrong.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I really hope that this isn't the case. It would not surprise me though if Wheeler has too much to say in the line up decisions. He should switch places with Laine and be playing on the 2nd line with Little. That shake up could get both top lines going instantly.

Maurice: "Hey, Blake! How's things goin', Blake? Whadaya think of changin' lines with Laine, Blake?"

 

[Ippenator]

So, how many games will it take until PoMo starts feeling the heat and the blender comes out?

I would guess that two straight losses after this would do it. Maybe even three. Anyway the pressure should pretty much build up by losing straight home games.

 

[cbcwpg]

So, how many games will it take until PoMo starts feeling the heat and the blender comes out?

Few more games like last night and I will have the blender out...

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I would guess that two straight losses after this would do it. Maybe even three. Anyway the pressure should pretty much build up by losing straight home games.

Decisions like this should be based on looking at their play. We've got 3 weak opponents coming up on home ice, and a good starting goalie that I expect to rebound. Chances are good the game outcomes will favour us. That doesn't mean the line problems have been fixed.

And if they do lose the next three, then I think it's time Chevy took some action. There may be a core problem here that will forever undermine the talent on this team.

 

[CaptainChef]

I think almost everyone is coming to the realization that Scheif-Wheeler needs to be split. I'm thinking Ehlers-Laine also need a rest (and I really think he & Roslo need a long look together), and boy do we ever need Niku up.

Next game's lineup, PMo come to your senses already! And, for heavens' sake, give all your lines at least 10 mins playing time.
Connor-Scheif-Laine
Perrault-Little-Wheeler
CLT
Ehlers-Roslo-Lemieux

Trouba-Morrisey
Charoit-Buff
Myers-Niku
Much prefer someone other than Myers in there, like a good stay at home D-man (Poolman?), but baby steps for now

 

[jepjepjoo]

Line combinations GF/GA 16-18

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
704 minutes
30GF 27GA +3

Ehlers-Little-Laine
598 minutes
24GF 24GA +/- 0

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
356 minutes
16GF 18GA -2

Ehlers-Scheifele-Laine
287 minutes
23GF 15GA +8

Ehlers-Little-Perreault
222 minutes
9GF 5GA +4

Ehlers-Stastny-Laine
211 minutes
GF16 GA7 +9

Perreault-Little-Laine
197 minutes
GF11 GA12 -1

Perreault-Scheifele-Wheeler
186 minutes
GF9 GA9 +/-0

Perreault-Little-Wheeler
175 minutes
GF12 GA13 -1

Ehlers-Little-Wheeler
119 minutes
GF6 GA5 +1

Connor-Wheeler-Laine
118 minutes
9GF 3GA +6

Perreault-Scheifele-Laine
116 minutes
10GF 6GA +4

Perreault-Little-Roslovic
111 minutes
GF6 GA1 +5

Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler
100 minutes
GF3 GA3 +/-0

Pairs

******-Scheifele-Laine
597 minutes
GF42 GA28 +14
(Laine without Scheifele +11, Scheifele without Laine +10)

Ehlers-******-Laine
1219 minutes
GF70 GA52 +18
(Laine without Ehlers +7, Ehlers without Laine -8)

******-Little-Laine
863 minutes
GF36 GA39 -3
(Laine without Little +28, Little without Laine -1)


******-Scheifele-Wheeler
1529 minutes
GF69 GA63 +6
(Scheifele without Wheeler +18, Wheeler without Scheifele +2)

*****-Little-Wheeler
410 minutes
GF21 GA22 -1
(Wheeler without Little +9, Little without Wheeler -3)

Ehlers-******-Wheeler
563 minutes
GF24 GA26 -2
(Ehlers without Wheeler +10, Wheeler without Ehlers +12)

Laine-*****-Wheeler
316 minutes
GF16 GA10 +6
(Wheeler without Laine +2, Laine without Wheeler +19)

5vs5 +/-

Laine +27 (120-93) 2162 minutes
Scheife +26 (121-95) 2238 minutes
Ehlers +11 (115-104) 2315 minutes
Wheeler +8 (109-101) 2461 minutes
Connor +2 (60-58) 1359 minutes
Little -5 (79-84) 1893 minutes

CSW is vastly overrated as far as actual results go

*There might be some minor inconsistencies due to multiple data sources*

 

[Howard Chuck]

Decisions like this should be based on looking at their play. We've got 3 weak opponents coming up on home ice, and a good starting goalie that I expect to rebound. Chances are good the game outcomes will favour us. That doesn't mean the line problems have been fixed.

And if they do lose the next three, then I think it's time Chevy took some action. There may be a core problem here that will forever undermine the talent on this team.

I would suggest that the time to try different lines is during this stand of weaker opponents, and while we are at home and can practice.

Lose a couple at home here or win not very effectively, and we have to try to make changes on the road against tougher opponents.

I think a good coach would want to know what he has by trying some different things while you have the chance, before you NEED to have an optimized lineup.

...... but I doubt very much that this is going to happen.

 

[CaptainChef]

Line combinations GF/GA

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
704 minutes
30GF 27GA +3

Ehlers-Little-Laine
598 minutes
24GF 24GA +/- 0

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
356 minutes
16GF 18GA -2

Ehlers-Scheifele-Laine
287 minutes
23GF 15GA +8

Ehlers-Little-Perreault
222 minutes
9GF 5GA +4

Ehlers-Stastny-Laine
211 minutes
GF16 GA7 +9

Perreault-Little-Laine
197 minutes
GF11 GA12 -1

Perreault-Scheifele-Wheeler
186 minutes
GF9 GA9 +/-0

Perreault-Little-Wheeler
175 minutes
GF12 GA13 -1

Ehlers-Little-Wheeler
119 minutes
GF6 GA5 +1

Connor-Wheeler-Laine
118 minutes
9GF 3GA +6

Perreault-Scheifele-Laine
116 minutes
10GF 6GA +4

Perreault-Little-Roslovic
111 minutes
GF6 GA1 +5

Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler
100 minutes
GF3 GA3 +/-0

Pairs

******-Scheifele-Laine
597 minutes
GF42 GA28 +14
(Laine without Scheifele +11, Scheifele without Laine +10)

Ehlers-******-Laine
1219 minutes
GF70 GA52 +18
(Laine without Ehlers +7, Ehlers without Laine -8)

******-Little-Laine
863 minutes
GF36 GA39 -3
(Laine without Little +28, Little without Laine -1)


******-Scheifele-Wheeler
1529 minutes
GF69 GA63 +6
(Scheifele without Wheeler +18, Wheeler without Scheifele +2)

*****-Little-Wheeler
410 minutes
GF21 GA22 -1
(Wheeler without Little +9, Little without Wheeler -3)

Ehlers-******-Wheeler
563 minutes
GF24 GA26 -2
(Ehlers without Wheeler +10, Wheeler without Ehlers +12)

Laine-*****-Wheeler
316 minutes
GF16 GA10 +6
(Wheeler without Laine +2, Laine without Wheeler +19)

5vs5 +/-

Laine +27 (120-93) 2162 minutes
Scheife +26 (121-95) 2238 minutes
Ehlers +11 (115-104) 2315 minutes
Wheeler +8 (109-101) 2461 minutes
Connor +2 (60-58) 1359 minutes
Little -5 (79-84) 1893 minutes

CSW is vastly overrated as far as actual results go

*There might be some minor inconsistencies due to multiple data sources*

OK, so put that all together & give us the best lineup based on the pairings that work best

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I would suggest that the time to try different lines is during this stand of weaker opponents, and while we are at home and can practice.

Lose a couple at home here or win not very effectively, and we have to try to make changes on the road against tougher opponents.

I think a good coach would want to know what he has by trying some different things while you have the chance, before you NEED to have an optimized lineup.

...... but I doubt very much that this is going to happen.

How much can they practice during this stretch of games every second day? I seem to recall the CBA having something to say about that.

 

[Howard Chuck]

How much can they practice during this stretch of games every second day? I seem to recall the CBA having something to say about that.

Fair point, I don't know actually. They could use it though