Former Canucks: Players & Management (Willie Desjardins fired by Kings, COO Victor De Bonis to SEA)

[Frankie Blueberries]

We had more POS’s. Kessler, Burrows, Lapierre, Torres we’re much worse than Marchand who was just a rookie at the time and wasn’t as far progressed into his role as a PoS at the time

So regardless, POS can help teams win Cups. See Tom Wilson and the Caps last season.

I can see how undisciplined plays lead to penalties which lead to losses. But some POS players are smart about their antics and definitely help more than they harm. Tkachuk’s offensive prowess easily outweighs whatever warts he may have. And we’ve already established that teams win Cups with rats on their team all the time, so it’s not a valid concern.

 

[Peter10]

I loved them for their good hockey skills but I was embarrassed and ashamed when they did dirty stuff

And you would have given them up for nothing because they were dirty players? Because that is what you were indicating with your "rather bust than Tkachuk" comment

 

[Motte and Bailey]

So regardless, POS can help teams win Cups. See Tom Wilson and the Caps last season.

I can see how undisciplined plays lead to penalties which lead to losses. But some POS players are smart about their antics and definitely help more than they harm. Tkachuk’s offensive prowess easily outweighs whatever warts he may have. And we’ve already established that teams win Cups with rats on their team all the time, so it’s not a valid concern.

I remember what it was like to have those guys on our team and I just don’t want them anymore. It’s not worth it to me, I want our players to play the right way because they are representing our city and setting examples for the kids growing up here. I don’t want a generation of Keslers or Tkachuks walking around. I’d rather have Horvats and Boesers.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

And you would have given them up for nothing because they were dirty players? Because that is what you were indicating with your "rather bust than Tkachuk" comment

I would rather not get them in the first place. If I had to get rid of them for nothing then I would but obviously my preference would be to get as much value back as possible.

 

[Peter10]

I would rather not get them in the first place. If I had to get rid of them for nothing then I would but obviously my preference would be to get as much value back as possible.

Can I assume then that you would like to get rid of Roussel as quick as possible?

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I remember what it was like to have those guys on our team and I just don’t want them anymore. It’s not worth it to me, I want our players to play the right way because they are representing our city and setting examples for the kids growing up here. I don’t want a generation of Keslers or Tkachuks walking around. I’d rather have Horvats and Boesers.

Ok. I want our team to win a Cup, and that takes priority over the reputation of an individual player. Tkachuk would be a welcome addition to help us contend again. The fact that you care more about the reputation of our players rather than winning, by that definition, makes you a loser in the most literal sense possible as you would sacrifice the quality of our team for reputation.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Ok. I want our team to win a Cup, and that takes priority over the reputation of an individual player. Tkachuk would be a welcome addition to help us contend again. The fact that you care more about the reputation of our players rather than winning, by that definition, makes you a loser in the most literal sense possible.

If it makes me a loser to want our players to be honest and clean players then I guess I’m a loser.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

If it makes me a loser to want our players to be honest and clean players then I guess I’m a loser.

Only because you said you wouldn’t take Tkachuk for free, who would be a huge upgrade to our roster. You sacrifice being competitive for reputation.

 

[I am toxic]

If it makes me a loser to want our players to be honest and clean players then I guess I’m a loser.

Agreed.

Whoever won the Cup in 2011 did so because the Canucks were cheapshotted to hell. There is no doubt in my mind that no team was in their league at that time other than CHI, who cheated to get that way.

 

[MS]

Can I assume then that you would like to get rid of Roussel as quick as possible?

Not only that, I can only assume he wants Jim Benning fired for bringing such a cowardly rat into the organization.

 

[Pavel96]

Not only that, I can only assume he wants Jim Benning fired for bringing such a cowardly rat into the organization.

Didn't him and wiesbrod pretty much pull a rat on Trevor?

 

[Hit the post]

Ok. I want our team to win a Cup, and that takes priority over the reputation of an individual player. Tkachuk would be a welcome addition to help us contend again. The fact that you care more about the reputation of our players rather than winning, by that definition, makes you a loser in the most literal sense possible as you would sacrifice the quality of our team for reputation.

Didn't help Tkachuk's cause when his father was a rat who pushed the then President of the club around. "Sins of the father"....

 

[I in the Eye]

Can I assume then that you would like to get rid of Roussel as quick as possible?

Yes, absolutely... because it's a part of the same thread that weaves that argument together. However, the only clear ways out are silence, or rationalizing that Roussel isn't a rat. Under normal circumstances it can be assumed that Rousell should be ridden of ASAP from someone holding that rational... but this isn't a normal circumstance.

 

[Jyrki21]

Show me 1 dirty player in the modern era that won the cup on a team that wouldn’t have won without them being dirty.

You're of course asking for proof of an impossible causation, so your response ("that's not why they won the Cup!") is as predictable as the rest of your schtick, but here you go:

(If you don't think he was instrumental you're kidding yourself)

Even ignoring the fatalist nonsense that the 2011 Canucks couldn't win because of some karma as opposed to being 99.7% injured. In which case you'd have a few guys who would burst the bubble on this theory too.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Can I assume then that you would like to get rid of Roussel as quick as possible?

Roussell isn’t a dirty player, he plays hard and agitates but from my POV he does it clean he’s never been suspended and he fights to stand up for himself unlike the players we’re talking about aka Tkachuk, Cooke, Marchand, and other DIRTY players who clearly intend to injure other players. Nice try though.

 

[MS]

Roussell isn’t a dirty player, he plays hard and agitates but from my POV he does it clean he’s never been suspended and he fights to stand up for himself unlike the players we’re talking about aka Tkachuk, Cooke, Marchand, and other DIRTY players who clearly intend to injure other players. Nice try though.

Never been suspended? Uhhhh ... yes he has.

 

[MS]

Roussell isn’t a dirty player, he plays hard and agitates but from my POV he does it clean he’s never been suspended and he fights to stand up for himself unlike the players we’re talking about aka Tkachuk, Cooke, Marchand, and other DIRTY players who clearly intend to injure other players. Nice try though.

Fights to stand up for himself? Sometimes, maybe.

Two veteran players call out NHL agitator for being a coward.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Never been suspended? Uhhhh ... yes he has.

Never been suspended? Uhhhh ... yes he has.

Looks like I was wrong about him never being suspended but... That’s it? McQuaid made a dirty hit on Roussel by catching him with a knee on knee, could’ve been very dangerous and yes he’s going to respond in kind I don’t have a problem with that play considering it was on McQuaid who broke Mason Raymond’s back among a whole bunch of other dirty plays he got away with because he’s a Bruin. 1 suspension for Roussel doesn’t make him a dirty player, even Alex Edler and Janik Hansen have been suspended.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Fights to stand up for himself? Sometimes, maybe.

Two veteran players call out NHL agitator for being a coward.

Sometimes? The guy has been in nearly 60 NHL fights, what kind of garbage is this implying he doesn’t fight

 

[Melvin]

I saw Roussel discussion in the former players thread and I got excited for a second.

 

[MS]

Looks like I was wrong about him never being suspended but... That’s it? McQuaid made a dirty hit on Roussel by catching him with a knee on knee, could’ve been very dangerous and yes he’s going to respond in kind I don’t have a problem with that play considering it was on McQuaid who broke Mason Raymond’s back among a whole bunch of other dirty plays he got away with because he’s a Bruin. 1 suspension for Roussel doesn’t make him a dirty player, even Alex Edler and Janik Hansen have been suspended.

Like, do you follow hockey?

Roussel is widely known as one of the dirtiest players in the NHL and has been for years.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/gotta-see-it-roussel-runs-goalie-sucker-punches-braun/

Stars' Roussel fined maximum for sucker punch - Sportsnet.ca

Also, way to completely excuse cross-checking a guy in the face. Your hypocrisy runs strong.

 

[MS]

Sometimes? The guy has been in nearly 60 NHL fights, what kind of garbage is this implying he doesn’t fight

He also regularly turtles, the thing you were losing your mind about Tkachuk doing. Tkachuk has several NHL fights, too.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

He also regularly turtles, the thing you were losing your mind about Tkachuk doing. Tkachuk has several NHL fights, too.

I just added up his AHL fights and when you combine it with his NHL fights he has 90 fights. Once Tkachuk has 90 fights then maybe he can decide not to but not after being 3rd man in on Connor f***ing McDavid. I’m bringing this back on track to Kassian because he’s the reason why we started this and Roussel isn’t relevant, and neither are the weak little bumps and punches you posted that have nothing to do with intending to injure anyone. I would love to see Kassian back with EP and I’m sure Benning would be open to getting him back if his off ice issues have been straightened out.

 

[John Belushi]

Looks like I was wrong about him never being suspended but... That’s it? McQuaid made a dirty hit on Roussel by catching him with a knee on knee, could’ve been very dangerous and yes he’s going to respond in kind I don’t have a problem with that play considering it was on McQuaid who broke Mason Raymond’s back among a whole bunch of other dirty plays he got away with because he’s a Bruin. 1 suspension for Roussel doesn’t make him a dirty player, even Alex Edler and Janik Hansen have been suspended.

Wrong again. It was Johnny Boychuk who threw Raymond into the boards.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Wrong again. It was Johnny Boychuk who threw Raymond into the boards.

Ya you’re right, man it’s been so long that every Bruin on that team feels the same to me. I guess what I’m trying to say is, dirty hits on Bruins don’t count as dirty in my mind. One exception is Bergeron.